Bard

[nbiscuitz]

The logical change for bard skill would be "you can not sing any song while in the stance", which turns us into ranger of some sort. Even just a 10% increase would be good. This way, it feels like 50-60 progression mean something. Not paying mobility/cast time/AA to increase dps (which it actually doesn't). Imagine giving WAR cast time too when they are in deliverance, give DRG cast time when in blood of the dragon, monk cast time when they have GL stacks...take their AA away also. Just taking our songs away is enough, then if we need songs, we lose 25% (stance and song penalty) total dps. If they really want to change the style of bard/archer, put this stance in level20 or something and make it a must use like tanking in a stance that actually increase our dps.

[Jeckyl_Tesla]

The logical change for bard skill would be "you can not sing any song while in the stance". Even just a 10% increase may be would be good. This way, it feels like 50-60 progression mean something. Not paying mobility/cast time/AA to increase dps (which it actually doesn't). Imagine giving WAR cast time too when they are in deliverance, give DRG cast time when in blood of the dragon, monk cast time when they have GL stacks...take their AA away also. Just taking our songs away is enough, then if we need songs, we lose 25% (stance and song penalty) total dps. If they really want to change the style of bard/archer, put this stance in level20 or something and make it a must use like tanking in a stance that actually increase our dps.

That's the most stupidest comparison I've come across yet. They're melee classes. How the hell would placing cast times on melee classes be equal to placing a small cast bar on a highly mobile, ranged DPS class.

Jesus, people are just pulling random shit from the bag now.

Thing is, I completely understand if people are upset that they don't LIKE WM. I get that, and it's a shame it was tacked on.

What I don't get is the cries for more DPS for a class which has arguably the easiest ability to DPS in the game, with the least forgiving rotation, with the highest mobility.

[nbiscuitz]

That's the most stupidest comparison I've come across yet. They're melee classes. How the hell would placing cast times on melee classes be equal to placing a small cast bar on a highly mobile, ranged DPS class.

Jesus, people are just pulling random shit from the bag now.

Thing is, I completely understand if people are upset that they don't LIKE WM. I get that, and it's a shame it was tacked on.

What I don't get is the cries for more DPS for a class which has arguably the easiest ability to DPS in the game, with the least forgiving rotation, with the highest mobility.

you are stupid, if you can't even understand what i am comparing with, you should put that shit in your bag...As melee, you can lift your axe, wait for cast bar, then hit the mob. taadaaa~~ melee casting. And see, you don't like that do you!! As a melee, you can move around/through the mob as well. Melees also have higher dps to range anyway, which is fine by me. The point is that you get even more dps now by not PAYING A PRICE!!!!!

[Jeckyl_Tesla]

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My lord, you obviously haven't played this game for long.

You're telling me, that putting a cast bar on a class that;

1: requires you to be in melee range
2: requires you to do moves from a specific position to get the most out of it's DPS
3: have to deal with more dmg and mechanics just to how bosses are built and hence losing DPS uptime on a boss as a whole,

is the same thing as putting a cast bar that;

1: Has no positionals,
2: Can avoid most mechanics while STILL DPSing,
3: Has insanely good mobility and can attack from a long range where melee cannot.

Are you for real? Like, do you even think before typing anything? Did you even think through what you said?

There is a reason BRD was laughed as the easiest class in the game, because it was. And now it's slightly difficult to play, you're complaining.

[nbiscuitz]

My lord, you obviously haven't played this game for long.

You're telling me, that putting a cast bar on a class that;

1: requires you to be in melee range
2: requires you to do moves from a specific position to get the most out of it's DPS
3: have to deal with more dmg and mechanics just to how bosses are built and hence losing DPS uptime on a boss as a whole,

is the same thing as putting a cast bar that;

1: Has no positionals,
2: Can avoid most mechanics while STILL DPSing,
3: Has insanely good mobility and can attack from a long range where melee cannot.

Are you for real? Like, do you even think before typing anything? Did you even think through what you said?

There is a reason BRD was laughed as the easiest class in the game, because it was. And now it's slightly difficult to play, you're complaining.

Are you for reaalllllz. I don't know why you think that i don't think, but i kinda think you don't think too. putting cast bar on melee is just a way to make you THINK as a what if scenario, which what I don't want either as I have melee level too. Loving my warrior also.
1. being a melee in melee range?? durrr
2. positional is melee's way to maximize. Our way to maximize is to keep dealing dps while dodging stuff. But can be more difficult for melee i understand.
3. everyone need to deal with mechanics. you lose DPS while move out of melee range (that's the only difference), but fact is that melee still deal the top DPS over bard which is fine by me like I said. Our mobility is to dodge stuff, how is that insane. Melee can move around at melee range too, such insane mobility!!~

Laughed easiest to play? whats wrong with that? are you jealous that we are easier to play? Sounds like you are this type "no, i don't want to be happy like you, I want you to be sad, so we are all sad. That's fair!". I agree putting some more play mechanic is good, but this is not "slightly difficult to play", they have changed the style, like I said in the 1st post (which you didn't read/think), if they want this, they should put this skill at early level, not at bloody 52. Melees have their positional/stacks early, they are designed to play that way. Our 50-60 is getting skills that doesn't extend how we play (except Sidewinder/fester). But to do the same (or slightly more, need parsing data) dps in a different play style, putting the shackle on us that's not worth the effort (which I already said, you probably didn't read/think also).

[Elikzords]

There is a reason BRD was laughed as the easiest class in the game, because it was. And now it's slightly difficult to play, you're complaining.

Ninjas are are far easier in the sense of DPS. Their rotations are highly forgiving and easy and have the potential to be at the top of the charts.

That's the most stupidest comparison I've come across yet. They're melee classes. How the hell would placing cast times on melee classes be equal to placing a small cast bar on a highly mobile, ranged DPS class.

Jesus, people are just pulling random shit from the bag now.

Thing is, I completely understand if people are upset that they don't LIKE WM. I get that, and it's a shame it was tacked on.

What I don't get is the cries for more DPS for a class which has arguably the easiest ability to DPS in the game, with the least forgiving rotation, with the highest mobility.

The issue now is that BRDs are literally "turrets" that do no damage and have no mobility. The mechanics of the class have turned a complete 180. The reason why BRDs are "crying" for dps is now they have lost all of that mobility and yet for some odd reason gained almost nothing in return. I have seen DRK pull 850 DPS while BRDS struggle to do 850-900. It can be argued that BRDs are viewed as support. But regardless of what anyone says, even Yoshida, the "game" itself recognizes BRDs as a DPS class and therefore will face all of the mechanical challenges that any other DPS will face. The problem is that the difference in DPS is so significant that BRDs are now being denied/removed from groups because the class itself is not capable of efficiently completing those challenges or completing them at all in that matter. The game was supposedly designed so that you could take any mix-up of the roles and complete the challenge in a timely matter but now I can hardly even imagine raiding with 4 BRDs/MCHs. At the end of the day, BRDs just want to be able to be within a close proximity of the other classes so they don't be a third wheel but they don't want to be at the top either which is understandable.