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  1. #21
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    Benedictrine's Avatar
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    Winnie Bear
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    Leviathan
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    Scholar Lv 60
    I really like the skill, and I'm kind of disappointed at all the hate. Having that healing boost more than makes up for not having a pet unless you're dpsing. I can see it falling into less use as I get more comfortable DPSing in 8 man content, sure. I haven't used EOS much at all in HW unless I don't trust my secondary healer in 8 man content(even then..). Fey Wind and Fey Caress are too good to give up for EOS's backup heal skills, especially with emergency tactics. But to get to the point I'm making: it's 30 seconds. You can blow the hell our of your aetherstacks--lustrates, energy drains, whatever you want, and then pop it for an additional 3 while Fey Wind is on cd, it's really kind of a why not thing. If you're running into an emergency situation, those 3 stacks could be life savers tbh. I found dissipate incredibly useful in the BEX dragon add phase while I was joining progression parties and the other healers weren't that stellar. My two cents.
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  2. #22
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    Viviza Viza
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    Ultros
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    Conjurer Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Benedictrine View Post
    Having that healing boost more than makes up for not having a pet unless you're dpsing.
    Are you sure?
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  3. #23
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    Winnie Bear
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    Leviathan
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    Scholar Lv 60
    Very sure. The argument of HPS is irrelevant in most content because you're factoring in non existent heals by thinking like that. I'm not bible thumping the skill, but there's multiple points to be had. Unfortunately, characters are too limited to make all of them and explain in actual detail. SCH should be played preventatively for the most part, e.g mitigation of raid dmg through succor/adlo/soil in some cases, and your pet factoring into this by topping people off to avoid mana and skill waste. Embrace+physick macro only comes into play during mana crunch/times where playing preventatively isn't necessary or optimal. My biggest problem with all of this was the sheer amount of negativity towards the skill. Don't get me wrong, I can see the skill becoming less useful in comfortable content like static raid content, and it's not useful at all in 4 man.
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    Last edited by Benedictrine; 07-08-2015 at 08:56 AM.

  4. #24
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    Drago Xhula
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    Balmung
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    Dancer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Benedictrine View Post
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    as far as i can tell its not useful period since the fact that within the what 20-25 seconds your fairy will be able to heal a heck of a lot more than 20% than you ever could with that skill on. not to mention that is only if you are using eos its even worse if you were useing selene cause not only are you losing (again but not as much) healing but you are also losing out on her party/raid wide buff ability's...
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  5. #25
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    Sacrilege Moonshadow
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    Hyperion
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    Black Mage Lv 80
    Embrace (manual, not macroed with anything) is a key part of many SCH's playstyles since it's what supports your efforts to provide supporting DPS and set up situational buff combos throughout the fight.

    SCH, even with its mostly excellent expanded kit, is not a WHM. Using Dissipation to heal feels like using mjolnir to hang picture frames; it's unnecessary healing power when what I really could have used is my fairy to top people off separate from my GCD and for free or to keep fluffing the tank.

    I won't review all the reasons why the extra Aetherflow stacks aren't really that great, but in short, Dissipation deserves a lot of flak for punishing the player to achieve a marginal benefit.
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  6. #26
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    Winnie Bear
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    Leviathan
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    Scholar Lv 60
    Your fairy is not using embrace on recharge. EOS has an aoe heal (buffer at best), a % heal which might as well be considered mantra, since you'd only use it in emergencies or, once again, it's a buffer skill, and an elemental buff, which is by far the most beneficial skill EOS has and the only real argument for using her vs the attack speed(with 30s downtime that can help dps push during dps checks(this is also where you can be without fairy just fine)))/aoe condition spell that selene has. So far, no content has anything that makes the ele buff considerable over selene. Unless you're talking about heal checks like t13, maybe t8, and... t2 enrage, I'm failing to see an argument for eos.
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  7. 07-08-2015 09:21 AM
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  8. #27
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    Drago Xhula
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    Balmung
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    Dancer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Benedictrine View Post
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    you are forgetting about her other buff skill which increases magic defense. also does anyone else have the problem where Selene's fey caress skill has no effect even when used with no other buffs present?
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  9. #28
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    Sacrilege Moonshadow
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    Hyperion
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    Black Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Benedictrine View Post
    Your fairy is not using embrace on recharge.
    Mine is. I make Tinkerbell do work; there is no free lunch on my watch. Embrace <mo> is bound to my spacebar.
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  10. #29
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    Roxas Andrade
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    Famfrit
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    Astrologian Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Marcu18 View Post
    Either rework the effect: Increase magic potency to at least 60% or replace it with a ability Best Friend or Sidekick: Summons a retainer with the highest ilevel.

    Eos and Selene make scholar stand out and make healing ALOT easier than white mage and astrologian.
    The simplest solution in my opinion is: "While under the effect of dissipation, you can summon your fairy for no mp cost."

    This solves the problem of DPSing (the fairy will be back to help), the healing buff not being enough, the fairy skills that you'd loose, you gain aetherflow stacks, you loose your swiftcast bringing the fairy back, you loose a couple of seconds on the process (that would be unvaluable in an emergency).

    This way it would be a good risk/reward skill for an emergency.
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  11. #30
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    Zari Lutus
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    Balmung
    Main Class
    Arcanist Lv 60
    I find it a useless skill except in ridiculous emergencies that shouldnt even happen in the first place, and then if the boss or mobs that caused the emergency is still there afterwards, you lose a huge amount of your healing (and/or buffs from selene) until dissipation is over
    And then have to waste a swiftcast and a ton of mp to get the fairy back
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