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[Aiselia]

All I wanted, which would have been a perfect fix, would be to remove the cast times from abilities while in WM, and make it so it can't be played at the same time as other songs. So when my support is (rarely) needed, I can accept the DPS loss for the support I'm bringing, but otherwise I don't feel like I'm just wasting a DPS spot by making it take longer, AND I can feel like I'm still playing the same class as I was before, and not a caster with a bow.

The biggest problem with the cast times is that BRD was not designed with cast times in mind, which makes it harder to use OGCDs, which there are plenty of. Especially if you're lucky with procs to spam Bloodletter.

[Vlady]

They sure did make a 180 on the no support jobs in this game. At one point it was said bard is not support but a mobile dps.

[Wavaryen]

They sure did make a 180 on the no support jobs in this game. At one point it was said bard is not support but a mobile dps.

see that is what I thought they said also and what I was told.

No wonder the brd community don't know what the heck role they play. The devs seem to not know it also. Sad if you ask me.

[Astral145]

@ Astral145

You do not manage tp, that is a fictional thing.

First yes you can manage Tp while still doing max damage. Its called spec into det or crit instead of throwing everything into SS. You only need so much ss before losing dps. yes brd can help multiple classes simultaneously. But how often do we need it?

As I said before I would gladly take a 45% reduction in damage while in support mode but when I am not being a TP/MP battery I want to do comparable damage to blm. ATM you do not need BRD or MCH to play as a support role for over 95% of the entire game. So why do I have to lose -7 weapon damage (compared to melee), plus have low potency skills which in turn lowers my over all dps by 20% - 30% compared to BLM 95% of the time?

[Leonus]

First yes you can manage Tp while still doing max damage. Its called spec into det or crit instead of throwing everything into SS.

Those very same calculations are done to balance ss, determination, crit to fund out what combination puts you at maximum DPS. If you are BIS and still running out of tp during fights, you'really suggesting the dps drops more ss?

Because... dropping too much ss... that's a dps loss.

[Astral145]

Those very same calculations are done to balance ss, determination, crit to fund out what combination puts you at maximum DPS. If you are BIS and still running out of tp during fights, you'really suggesting the dps drops more ss?

Because... dropping too much ss... that's a dps loss.

Again you only need those so called "support classes for 5% of all the content out there. You can still manage TP/MP but I'm not denying that you will need the support at some point in those savage raids. But again I would gladly take a 45% reduction to dps when the time calls for the use of TP/MP songs. Other than that I want to be doing comparable dps to blm.

[Chairman_Meow]

see that is what I thought they said also and what I was told.

No wonder the brd community don't know what the heck role they play. The devs seem to not know it also. Sad if you ask me.

Bards were always a support. They were designed to be a support from the get go. That is why they have lower damage. They weren't meant to be pure DPS. That is why they had support skills during 2.0. All the other DPS did not have the support utility that Bards had. Battle Litany didn't exist. Ninjas didn't exist. The closest thing to a support would be the Summoner (Virus+E4E) but that's only because they're based off the Arcanist which branched off to Scholar.

Whoever said Bards were a "mobile dps" clearly didn't know what he was talking about. Unless they add a 9th slot to the party make-up for "Support" Bards will have to take up a DPS slot. Which unfortunately means Bards need DPS to keep up with the group. More so now in 3.0.

[Ferrasper]

If I understand this right, wouldn't it best then as a MCH to always have it on now since we don't need to song switch like Bard?

[Warlyx]

They weren't meant to be pure DPS. That is why they had support skills during 2.0. All the other DPS did not have the support utility that Bards had. Battle Litany didn't exist. Ninjas didn't exist. The closest thing to a support would be the Summoner (Virus+E4E)

pure dps? wth is that?

summoner bringed rez in combat too

we arent talking about 2.0 (1.0 exist too btw), atm batle litany exists, NIN exist, and lots of things have changed

[Ooshima]

I just finished Turn 2. According to our ninja, I had the highest DPS in turn 1 and our tank was surprised when I accidentally pulled Aggro as he thought I'd be the last one to do so. I stayed in GB the whole time. So, I'd say we're in pretty good shape now.

That is cos... your group is bad, unfortunately.

When MCH/BRD becomes #1 DPS in your group you shouldn't even be happy.