3.01 Patch Notes

[Twilite]

Getting 170 is easy and quick. I got ilv170 the first day I hit 60. lol.

Only the chest, pants and weapon cost above 215 tomes. You get 80 tomes from completing the new level 60 dungeons, then a 40(iirc) tome bonus if someone is new. On top of that, you can also do expert for that tome bonus. If you are in a FC, you can run dungeons with your friends who recently hit 60 to shovel in those delicious tome bonus'.

I hate inconsiderate people. Not everybody has what you have and can achieve things the same manner you have for whatever their reasons are….

[Elim]

I hate inconsiderate people. Not everybody has what you have and can achieve things the same manner you have for whatever their reasons are….

Not sure how it's inconsiderate.

Everyone can gain access to the new dungeons and the newbie/expert bonus'. Not everyone has a FC though. Which, if you don't have one, I suggest getting one! Not just to leech tome bonus', but for the many other perks.

[Aeyis]

Not sure how it's inconsiderate.

Everyone can gain access to the new dungeons and the newbie/expert bonus'. Not everyone has a FC though. Which, if you don't have one, I suggest getting one! Not just to leech tome bonus', but for the many other perks.

Im afraid it is being inconsiderate. Not everyone has the time to collect 3865~ tomes (yes, I counted them just for you) in a single day.
Not to mention unlike 2 weeks ago you arent going to get the new player bonus for every single dungeon you do either.


This isnt a discussion about how fast this would be to do in the future. (taking a week or two weeks to gear up to i170 isnt much time, compared to months of gameplay) But rather the stoic conclusion that taking your time in leveling in early heavensward (or perhaps more accurately, reducing your time at 60; and dungeon farming) does put you at a disadvantage with Alexanders release.

For some people there's more to the game then just raiding(but they do still enjoy raiding!), which is why SE said ''take your time to enjoy the game during these 2 weeks''.


On a sidenote:
What point is there to having an i160 dungeon set? Since you are farming those dungeons for the i170 set anyway.

People who take their time will take their time to decide to go to the new raid as well.
It got held off so people wouldn't feel like rushing through leveling and gearing.
There's always going to be a difference of opinion over the amount of time is needed.

It got held off so people didnt feel like they had to choose between enjoying their leveling time, and rushing to max level/gearing law to be in time for the raid.

This is not an argument between casual and hardcore as some seem to think. It's about enjoying one form of content (leveling) vs enjoying another form of content (raiding).


The hardcore argument is only being brought up since some people insist that getting to level 60 in a day, and gearing up to i170 in the same day is the norm.
(which ironically, oh so very ironically; makes me wonder just how little life some people have)

[Allyrion]

It got held off so people didnt feel like they had to choose between enjoying their leveling time, and rushing to max level/gearing law to be in time for the raid.

This is not an argument between casual and hardcore as some seem to think. It's about enjoying one form of content (leveling) vs enjoying another form of content (raiding).

You just repeated what I said. It gave enough time to do that.
You only need to be "in time for the raid" if you care about the progression race.
People who play that way had enough time to experience the leveling fully and gear up in time for that.
This is opposed to the race starting as soon as launch happened.

Like people who care about the race still have to put raiding as their priority.
This allowed people who want to be on the cutting edge to not have to skip everything while leveling.
But those type of players are still the ones with more time and dedication to raiding.


You can enjoy raiding and you're not at any "disadvantage" if you wanted more time.
You only need to be on time if you're trying to race progression. Otherwise, the raid is available whenever you're ready.
So those people can enjoy their leveling and then enjoy their raiding. What's the issue?

Holding it off so the race doesn't start at launch was a good thing. But artificially gating it for too long is bad.
There are some people who've farmed out the Ex Primals, and are just waiting for Alexander to open.
It shouldn't be held back because there are other people experiencing other things. They can experience those things and then go raid when they feel like it.

It really only got held off so that the leveling experience wasn't obsolete for people who cared about being cutting edge.
Since those are the people who have the most time and dedication to the game, 2 weeks was enough so that the story content wasn't obsolete on launch.
If someone is later than that, well they shouldn't expect to be on the cutting edge anyway.
They should just enjoy the content on their own time, instead of asking for more of an extended gate and holding back the players who are already prepared.

[Aeyis]

You just repeated what I said. It gave enough time to do that.

Huh? Sorry, but I was under the assumption that I was the one to say that, and you to repeat it; and then twist its meaning into the opposite? oO

You only need to be "in time for the raid" if you care about the progression race.

People who play that way had enough time to experience the leveling fully and gear up in time for that.

Yes. And thats exactly why they gave 2 weeks time so people could enjoy the story at their own pace, while still being prepared. Being prepared here was being noted as having reached 60 (60 equiped), not being in full law equipment.
Perhaps you did. Are you royalty, that you speak in plural?

But those type of players are still the ones with more time and dedication to raiding.

No, they are people with dedication to the game, and not just raiding.

They should just enjoy the content on their own time, instead of asking for more of an extended gate and holding back the players who are already prepared.

I see, so this is personal. People feel they are being held back. I guess that explains why my off hand ironic comment sparked this heated discussion.


Why, my apologies for stepping on sore toes.

[Allyrion]

Huh? Sorry, but I was under the assumption that I was the one to say that, and you to repeat it; and then twist its meaning into the opposite? oO

I'm pretty sure Yoshida was the first person who said it regardless.
There was no contradiction and you said there was. The 2 weeks were given for that purpose and then I said that the time is always going to be different for different people.

Yes. And thats exactly why they gave 2 weeks time so people could enjoy the story at their own pace, while still being prepared. Being prepared here was being noted as having reached 60 (60 equiped), not being in full law equipment.

They never said it was only leveling that was the purpose. The 60 dungeons and even the ex primals are pre-Alexander content were all part of the content they gave us 2 weeks to enjoy, in addition to the leveling.

Perhaps you did. Are you royalty, that you speak in plural?

No, they are people with dedication to the game, and not just raiding.

Are you purposefully misunderstanding me or what?
I am not talking about people just dedicated to the game.
We are talking about a raid release, and people who want to go into a hardcore raid on release day.

It's okay if you do other things in the game, but if you want to be on the cutting edge of raiding then you have to be a certain type of player.
The type of player that is involved in the progression race. Since otherwise, you can just do it on your own time.

So 2 weeks were enough for those type of players.

I see, so this is personal. People feel they are being held back. I guess that explains why my off hand ironic comment sparked this heated discussion.


Why, my apologies for stepping on sore toes.

This is funny.
You're making assumptions about me right after correcting someone who made incorrect assumptions about you.

I'm not speaking for myself.
There are quite a bit of people who are full 180 with a Ravana weapon. I'm not.
But that's okay.
They could extend the lockout and it wouldn't really bother me cause I'm doing other things.

But they shouldn't have to. If you have priorities outside of raiding, then just get to the raiding in your own time.
Why do you need to be ready when the doors open?
All the 2 week lockout needed to do was give enough time for the most cutting edge players (I'm not one of those) to not have to skip everything getting to 60.

So it did that.
It doesn't need to be more than that, because anyone who aren't that serious about raiding to get prepared in that time really aren't the people the 2 weeks really needed to cater to.

Because the only thing the lockout does, is affect the race. Otherwise the doors are open from now on and players can get to it when they feel like it.

[Elim]

Im afraid it is being inconsiderate. Not everyone has the time to collect 3865~ tomes (yes, I counted them just for you) in a single day.

Never said everyone has the time to collect them all in one day. I said they were quick and easy to farm. And it's true. Gear costs a lot less tomes than past sets. And dungeons give more tomes than ever before. Never mind the bonus'.

Still not sure how what I said was inconsiderate. I'm not trying to be "sassy" either. I legit don't get it.