BRD/MCH look here

[Exosapien]

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Yeah, I was salty about GB when I first got it after spending so many hours leveling MCH. I can only imagine how annoying it must be for BRD after a couple years of playing the class. Still, I have to agree with the WM, it's here whether people like it or not.

[Wavaryen]

So in other words, for people who hate the play style of caster bard. We get a nice big middle finger? Whatever.

[ChalupaBatman]

Ugh... BRD and MCH are going to require more than this to fix the dumphole they have been thrown into. But I am surprised these changes rolled out already, I expect more change to come, hopefully soon. I don't want to relearn BRD only to have it changed later.

Personally, I think dropping Minuet completely is the best way to handle this situation and add another ability that works in a similar way (minus cast time) while still adding a risk factor. Guess we just gotta keep complaining until they do something lol This isn't something trivial like hair model clipping or farms, this is a major mechanic in the game that NEEDS to be addressed.

Ehhh, my problem was WM was barley a dps increase, high risk low reward thing.

But if these tweaks actually make it a significant increase/high risk high reward then you will have no complaints from me.

I prefer the old playstyle but willing to "relearn" if it means being able to compete with caster DPS.

[LunarEmerald]

So in other words, for people who hate the play style of caster bard. We get a nice big middle finger? Whatever.

Pretty much. It's either use WM or play something else because that's the intended way to play it.

[Panasync]

Ehhh, my problem was WM was barley a dps increase, high risk low reward thing.

But if these tweaks actually make it a significant increase/high risk high reward then you will have no complaints from me.

I prefer the old playstyle but willing to "relearn" if it means being able to compete with caster DPS.

I have a feeling if there is an increase it will be minor, it's more of a nerf to non-WM making WM look better, than just a buff to WM to make it worth using in and of itself.

[xXRaineXx]

We BRD's don't care about catching up to the DPS levels of other classes! BRD is a support class! If a BRD does not know that, there are serious problems! I have as much fun trying to max out my dps in raids with no regards to other DPS classes, cos we are bloody support. I like singing Foes and Ballad to support my team, even if it means I lose my own DPS. That's what a BRD is suppose to be.

Sure there may be people before who once complained that BRD's have low DPS comparatively, then I say they are playing the wrong class. If I want to stand on one side and cast skills, I'll go and play BLM! But I want to play BRD, not a hybrid Red Bard...

[Exosapien]

I'm gonna give it a shot, but it's still not a play style change that I wanted, now the play style I've enjoyed got even more nerfed, can you at least see that as a negative?

Why, I refuse such things! You must be positive about everything! Nah, you're right. Your frustration is understandable.

[Pluvia]

Pretty much. It's either use WM or play something else because that's the intended way to play it.

Naw more like they look at it as Use it or don't but don't come complain to use about your subpar dps

[Panasync]

Pretty much. It's either use WM or play something else because that's the intended way to play it.

If the job was intended to be that way from the start, I would probably agree. The fact is that from 2.0 up until 3.0 that's not how the job was intended to play, MCH you could make the argument, BRD is a different story.

[Wavaryen]

Pretty much. It's either use WM or play something else because that's the intended way to play it.

Bad Game design 101.Class homogenization and changing a core design on what makes a class fun is a great way to piss off fans. Well whatever, I am not a long term bard, as bard was the only class I enjoyed the combat style with. I will just go back to being a crafter/ah player.

Still, it blows that I at last found a fun play style just to have it changed so much that it is not the class I want anymore.