BRD/MCH look here

[Dante_V]

Well in most cases you don't need them. WHM, SCH, SMN, BLM, DRK and PLD can manage there own MP. DRG, MNK, MCH, BRD and NIN can manage there own TP using DRG's cross class utility. Hell NIN can throw out a Goad with out taking any damage penalty. Only in dire circumstances will you ever need TP/MP Regan from BRD and MCH. Even SMN can cast a raise DURRING COMBAT w/out taking a damage penalty.

You sir have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. The utilities are for raids mostly and if you don't need then your damage isnt affected. It a moot point. Most of the melee classes bottom out of tp in under 5 mins if they are played right. Beyond that the utilities you are comparing them to are apples and oranges. Comparing a single target tp regen on a long cool down to a ballad that can be played at will and affect the entire team is nonsense. It's like you are complaining just to complain. Bard clearly is not the class for you.

[Astral145]

You sir have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. The utilities are for raids mostly and if you don't need then your damage isnt affected. It a moot point. Most of the melee classes bottom out of tp in under 5 mins if they are played right. Beyond that the utilities you are comparing them to are apples and oranges. Comparing a single target tp regen on a long cool down to a ballad that can be played at will and affect the entire team is nonsense. It's like you are complaining just to complain. Bard clearly is not the class for you.

Again they are rarely used. I will gladly take a 45% reduction to damage while in support mode. But when Im not being a TP/MP battery I want to do comparable damage to BLM.

[Korashy]

Again they are rarely used. I will gladly take a 45% reduction to damage while in support mode. But when Im not being a TP/MP battery I want to do comparable damage to BLM.

Sure once the BLM can switch into support mode at will. It's ridiculous how you guys want everything. While topping the DPS meter, why not heal the tanks (yourself cause you are also tanking) as well?

[Aiselia]

The utilities are for raids mostly and if you don't need then your damage isnt affected.

Actually, for Bards, it is. Because of them being "support" and by virtue of just having those skills, Bard weapon damage is inherently lower than every other class.

So whether or not you use them, your damage is still always negatively affected by being "balanced" around them.

[ChloeGrace]

Just get RID of Wanderer's Minuet completely. Return bard to being a mobile support job that does ~15% less dps than black mage and everyone will be happy.

[Wavaryen]

people still argue support or not. I don't like the thought of a support dps class. *dumb imo* but whatever, To be a bard caster is a pretty heavy price to pay along with this "Support" dps tag you have. Also, I think people really devalue the buffs/debuffs other dps give. I know our songs are powerful, but they are only helpful in a very small percent of the game and yes sometimes outside it. With that being said, a class getting less dps for a small percent of the game leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

[Mardel]

Something seems off, no matter how much I try my opener for machinist the overall damage seems lower. Resulting in a lower wildfire damage, I believe this has something to do with the hit 2 the gauss/ricochet. Unlike bard machinist damage is compounded during the wildfire, so if we end up with a more "iron out" damage spectrum our wildfire will do less damage possibly resulting in a dps loss? Something like this?

[ckc22]

The point of the matter is, it's vital for progression. No one gives a crap about nerfed, low level content. If that was the case, then Warriors can be considered DPS too.

The other point is, the Dev team and YoshiP himself, has labeled them a support class. Since they run the game and choose how the game runs, they are the ones who decide what it is. Cry, scream and shout as much as you want to, but your view is only an opinion. It's not fact. The Devs thoughts on the class however, are fact.

The devs thoughts don't mesh with reality. You don't queue as support. I wish you did. If bard was pure support like XI it would probably be my class. But it's not and there are no legs to this "support cause yoshi changed his mind and said so" argument.

[Aiselia]

All I wanted, which would have been a perfect fix, would be to remove the cast times from abilities while in WM, and make it so it can't be played at the same time as other songs. So when my support is (rarely) needed, I can accept the DPS loss for the support I'm bringing, but otherwise I don't feel like I'm just wasting a DPS spot by making it take longer, AND I can feel like I'm still playing the same class as I was before, and not a caster with a bow.

The biggest problem with the cast times is that BRD was not designed with cast times in mind, which makes it harder to use OGCDs, which there are plenty of. Especially if you're lucky with procs to spam Bloodletter.

[Vlady]

They sure did make a 180 on the no support jobs in this game. At one point it was said bard is not support but a mobile dps.