Anyone else think NIN should be able to Goad itself?

[Adventica6]

I haven't ran into tp issues in 60 lvls, there is a right and wrong time to pop invigorate. Even with nins high skill speed, doing mudras every 20sec pauses their tp expenditure temporarily negating it. If tp was an issue for nins you would be hearing about it and seeing it first hand, which isn't the case.

[RazeLandale]

It's not a support move anymore if you can self cast. If nin has tp problems and SE wanted to do something about it they should go back on the nerfs where they increased tp cost in the first place, not removing utility.

[Adire]

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Very nice suggestion here

I haven't ran into tp issues in 60 lvls, there is a right and wrong time to pop invigorate. Even with nins high skill speed, doing mudras every 20sec pauses their tp expenditure temporarily negating it. If tp was an issue for nins you would be hearing about it and seeing it first hand, which isn't the case.

Have you done the WoD dragon fight in a lowish dps group without running low on TP? Maybe I'm just often in extremely terrible DPS groups. The fight normally lasts a while for me.

If so, please share your secret. I Invig at 570 TP and again when the CD is done and still often run low. The 60 NIN in my LS attested to being TP starved very quickly with the higher skill speed now in game.

[papichulo123]

just have another ninja goad you.

[UBERHAXED]

The dragon boss fight can drag on (pun intended).

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Ehem... Not seeing this as a problem as ninja right now is contending for the highest DPS. It's called balancing: some jobs are good dps for short fights, while others are good for longer fights (like T8 was). That being said, the real reason to purposely make jobs starve of TP and MP is to put use to the support skills by the lower dps jobs. Otherwise those baseless arguments of no one letting bards and machinists in their groups will have some standing.

There's reason why SE said Bard damage is fine (and didn't even comment on Machinist damage), and the reason being is that in real raids, they will be required and it's the casters who will now get the shaft seeing as people can just stack 3 melee for more damage (ranged LB already does more than caster LB). In the end, you complain about bards and machinists, but there will never be groups with both BLM and SMN if the groups have a reason to include casters at all.

[Adire]

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Are you aware that in an extended fight or a short fight, a DRG should now be putting out very similar DPS to a NIN? NIN has an extremely high burst phase at the beginning, but unless you're on trash mobs, a DRG should catch them fairly quickly.

Difference is, NIN will run out of TP far sooner in a long fight and burn it faster on any fight due to high skill speed and low regen capability. Not sure how that's balanced.

And again, outside of a static or premade, there's no guarantee you will have a bard or machinist. That's why it's important that melees have decent TP regen too. And when long, low downtime fights come in, all except NIN will. That is not fair or balanced.

Bards particularly also have to be careful of when they sing. Burning your MP on one song, then the healer going down and needing MP when you can't provide it because you spent yours is a real risk.

[Sylve]

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Then, knowing you CAN burn your TP fast you should maybe allow Huton to fall off, or intentionally slack a bit on timings to ensure you don't run dry.
The whole point is that you cannot sustain 100% dps for 100% of the time. With a BRD or MCH you can, but without one you need to play in a way that sustains your resource. I'm not sure why you're so against that concept.

[UBERHAXED]

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Are you aware that in an extended fight or a short fight, a DRG should now be putting out very similar DPS to a NIN? NIN has an extremely high burst phase at the beginning, but unless you're on trash mobs, a DRG should catch them fairly quickly.

Difference is, NIN will run out of TP far sooner. Not sure how that's balanced.

And again, outside of a static or premade, there's no guarantee you will have a bard or machinist. That's why it's important that melees have decent TP regen too. And when long, low downtime fights come in, all except NIN will. That is not fair or balanced.

Bards particularly also have to be careful of when they sing. Burning your MP on one song, then the healer going down and needing MP when you can't provide it because you spent yours is a real risk.

Since when is pugging considered in a raid situation? And I was already aware that dragoon was ahead of ninjas, which is why I made the fight length comparison. BTW, in case you somehow didn't figure it out, for long fights I was talking about BLM and certainly not a melee class. If one class does better than another 100% of the time and is self sufficient,at that, then why would people play the other class. Yet, I see plenty of people playing ninja.

[Evangela]

Ninjas already have that cross class ability from Dragoons that allow us to restore our TP.

[Adire]

Then, knowing you CAN burn your TP fast you should maybe allow Huton to fall off, or intentionally slack a bit on timings to ensure you don't run dry.
The whole point is that you cannot sustain 100% dps for 100% of the time. With a BRD or MCH you can, but without one you need to play in a way that sustains your resource. I'm not sure why you're so against that concept.

I'm not against that concept. Please understand.

I am against the concept of MNK and DRG having bright futures when it comes to TP management and keeping up max DPS during long, no downtime fights while NIN does not, however. With the new skill monk has and the adequate TP management DRG has, they will not have to sacrifice DPS nearly as quickly as a NIN will in long fights without BRD/MCH help.

Since when is pugging considered in a raid situation? And I was already aware that dragoon was ahead of ninjas, which is why I made the fight length comparison. BTW, in case you somehow didn't figure it out, for long fights I was talking about BLM and certainly not a melee class. If one class does better than another 100% of the time and is self sufficient,at that, then why would people play the other class. Yet, I see plenty of people playing ninja.

Last I checked, WoD was a raid. And it was a raid primarily made of pugs.

The other melees are being set up to do fine in long fights due to TP management tools, NIN is not. A MNK and a DRG will be able to stay ahead of a BLM in DPS in future content with Purification and Invigorate, and traited Invigorate and slow skill speed.

NINs can't say the same though, not without getting help from a MCH or BRD. That's not fair at all. If/when Alexander is made pug friendly, or if/when another 24 man is made and a long fight is in either, NINs will be out of luck if they don't get MCH/BRD assistance. MNK and DRG will be fine without them.

Also, many people are unhappy with MCH right now and think it's inferior, yet I still see plenty playing it. Your point? People will play jobs even if they're believed by many to be inferior, that's just how it is.