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  1. 07-07-2015 01:02 PM #1
    Adire
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    Anyone else think NIN should be able to Goad itself?

    Monks now have Purification, which will help on longish fights with little downtime if any are coming.

    Dragoons have traited Invigorate and lower skill speed than the other two melees.

    NINs have only non-traited invigorate for self TP restoring and high skill speed when Huton is up.

    It doesn't really seem fair. Even if Bard and Machinist are taken into consideration, NINs are still gimped on self TP restoration vs skill speed.
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  2. 07-07-2015 01:05 PM #2
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    Nah, if I could goad myself, tanks would hate me.
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  3. 07-07-2015 01:07 PM #3
    Adire
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenral View Post
    Nah, if I could goad myself, tanks would hate me.
    By the time tanks run out of TP, they should have enough aggro to sit comfortably and just auto attack until a decent amount of TP is restored on its own or just use skills as TP is regenerated if their gear is decent.

    You'd really be contributing more to the group overall as a NIN by being able to goad yourself during long fights.
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  4. 07-07-2015 01:21 PM #4
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenral View Post
    Nah, if I could goad myself, tanks would hate me.
    No I won't, I got Equilibrium.
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  5. 07-07-2015 01:24 PM #5
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    ninja has Invigorate....
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  6. 07-07-2015 01:29 PM #6
    Adire
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    Quote Originally Posted by XgungraveX View Post
    ninja has Invigorate....
    An untraited invigorate with a high skill speed, as mentioned in my OP.

    It was becoming inadequate even in some ARR content (frequently I found myself using invigorate twice in WoD on the dragon and still running out of TP), with even more skill speed in HW and no TP management added for NIN, it's sure to get even worse.
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  7. 07-07-2015 01:38 PM #7
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    It's worth noting that similar values of skill speed have less impact post 50; so despite the claim there's just more skill speed, there... actually really isn't.
    (There's also been some discussion among dragoons in my FC about skill speed being more valueable now due to the impact on Blood of the Dragon combo rotations but that's up in the air still and mostly tangential)

    That said, they're already a hasted class. I do feel for you guys.
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  8. 07-07-2015 01:45 PM #8
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marxam View Post
    No I won't, I got Equilibrium.
    I got...Flash spam and Shield Swipe procs... ;_;
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    * The sad thing is that FFXIV turned RDM into a turret, and people think that's what it's supposed to be. It's supposed to combine sword and magic into something more, not spend the bulk of gameplay spamming spells and jump into melee for only 3 GCDs before scurrying back to the back line like good little casters.
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  9. 07-07-2015 01:49 PM #9
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duelle View Post
    I got...Flash spam and Shield Swipe procs... ;_;
    Don't worry, man. I got you.
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  10. 07-07-2015 01:55 PM #10
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    Dark Knight has.. Ninja!1
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