Ways to fix BRD and MCH in a realistic way

[Intellion]

I guess I might as well finish with this since this thread has derailed too much already.

My original argument was that many Bards chose the class for its gameplay, which is a mobile run-and-gunner. And that's not a bad reason because being able to move while attacking and weaving in oGCDs rapidly allowed us to still pump out acceptable DPS even with our low damage. Also, there are plenty of people who like ranged combat, but absolutely dislike standing still to cast spells, or are just not fans of magic in general. That, too, is a completely valid and fair reason for choosing Bard pre-3.0. Songs are just a bonus, but to us who've actually mained Bard and painstakingly learned it till 60, our mobility and speed still defined our core gameplay. Chances are, bards never even use songs outside of dire situations in hardcore raids. And that's like what? Only around 1% of a Bard's total gameplay time (solo-play, questing, FATES, and other non-raid playtime included).

Yet there were people like Meldon, who argued that Bards should have their mobility taken away because it's "overpowered," although I already proved why it's not. Then there are people like Musha, who argued that Bards should have their mobility taken away because they apparently should be nothing more but TP and MP pots, and attacking and movement is irrelevant, despite the fact that those are integral components of Bards. I have also posted plenty of good reasons why that shouldn't be the case, although somehow that derailed the topic into something else.

In the end upon looking at these people's characters, none of them even have Bard leveled at 60, or even at 52, where they learn Minuet, the root cause of all these outrages. That is a red flag right there. Personally speaking, I believe you should only comment on these class feedback threads when you've already mastered a class's core mechanics. In other words, have reached the level cap and spent a considerable amount of time in it. Because even seasoned Bards demand proof and statistics from other seasoned Bards when they make unpopular opinion about Minuet or the 3.0 Bard changes.

If experienced career Bards are already being asked to prove their credibility or to show parse numbers or number-crunching data when defending Minuet, how much more credibility, do you think, does a non-Bard with only a Lv. 20 archer, for example, has when making baseless claims such as "You're not DPS, you are just jukeboxes. Taking away your mobility is A-OK" or "You don't need mobility/casting times doesn't break your gameplay, lrn2play your job." They have no credibility at all. They have no clue what they are talking about, yet they are mouthing off anyways.

That is my ultimate gripe with threads like these, and why I comment on these kinds of people. I'll state it again. If you don't even have the class at max level, you have not spent enough time with it, and hence all of your claims are baseless and lack credibility. In other words, null and void. This is a PSA to non-Bards. Just please refrain from making smart-aleck comments in these threads, because your ignorance is only adding fuel to the fire.

[Musashidon]

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as much as you do, seeing as songs aren't as important as moving. which blm has clearly over proven is not true at all.

the only ignorance is the fact that you add nothing to the argument but you're wrong you're not lvl 60 like me.

wanna have a real discussion then add too it.

don't just pretend you're better without adding anything to the table.