Ways to fix BRD and MCH in a realistic way

[Musashidon]

If you truly see the whole picture and/or knew how to play Bards, you'd realize this easily.

songs. bam meaning to bards.

mobility is something you specifically want.

you can still deal damage without moving. blm's do it just fine. you can too.

stop pretending you have to run around 90% of the fight. if you had to blms would be kicked from raids.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8Oqq0npY1M

congrats going to t13 in full bis lets you do the fight easily.

Hey Folks...Musha is a troll, and it has effectively derailed the conversation for a few pages now. Ignore the Troll.

awww thanks for the recognition <3

but seriously i am a troll because bards lose something that is only important to bards that only play the job for mobility?

[Intellion]

songs. bam meaning to bards.

mobility is something you specifically want.

you can still deal damage without moving. blm's do it just fine. you can too.

stop pretending you have to run around 90% of the fight. if you had to blms would be kicked from raids.



congrats going to t13 in full bis lets you do the fight easily.



awww thanks for the recognition <3

but seriously i am a troll because bards lose something that is only important to bards that only play the job for mobility?

You're... not even reading my posts, are you?

Yeah, should've known. Sigh.

Moving on.

[Kayote]

You're... not even reading my posts, are you?

Yeah, should've known. Sigh.

Moving on.

Yeah youre both wrong. There is no support role, nor is there a "mobility" role ... seriously? Every DPS has to move at one point or another and a lot of them can even attack while moving (kite). Albeit to a lesser degree. Are you afraid that we'll suddenly be unable to avoid AoE's? Lets get one thing straight, its only SOME Bards who are suddenly crying foul over mobility. Plenty of us just want our DPS brought into par with the rest of the classes so we'll stop getting kicked before the first pull. With, or without the ability to avoid AoE's in ez-mode.

I for one am glad theyre finally getting Bards settled into their role. Up to now we were some half-assed buffing class with crap DPS to balance out our "mobility." We were so screwed up we even had an LB heal! WTF is that? No, we're DPS and DPS should be priority when designing this job going forward. Our so called support is 'meh', replaceable, and not even necessary most of the time. Mobility isnt even a role or a practical contribution to a group. Its a personal playstyle perk (at best) thats had us gimped on DPS since ARR. Enough is enough, we got our DPS LB, finally, now our damage output should follow suit.

[ckc22]

you can still deal damage without moving. blm's do it just fine. you can too.

The difference being - look at the dps differences. WM does not increase DPS essentially is half the damn point. There are many people in this thread who aren't complaining about mobility - they're complaining about the fact that when they give up said mobility they get nothing out of it except continued substandard dps...

[Snugglebutt]

The difference being - look at the dps differences. WM does not increase DPS essentially is half the damn point. There are many people in this thread who aren't complaining about mobility - they're complaining about the fact that when they give up said mobility they get nothing out of it except continued substandard dps...

True, I do not personally mind giving up 'some' mobility for an increase in DPS output but the fact is not only are half the skills we gained from 3.0 highly flawed and badly implemented but also the class has not been scaled correctly and needs a re-evaluation and fixing plus a slight DPS increase through either WD, potency or lowering of skill use cast timers as examples while under WM. We do not need to be equal to the DPS output of some other DPS classes but we sure as hell need an increase to what we have right now in order to be little closer to theirs than we currently are. The rise of bards and machinists being kicked from high end group content, locked out of even joining such content or being insulted not based on their skill at playing the class but merely for playing the class itself is becoming very worrisome.

We need some major fixes to some of the current skills and some minor fixes to the DPS output, machinist are in an even worse position but both ranged physical DPS classes are in need of fixing.

I liken the current state of bards and machinists to that of what SMN and DRG used to be, 3.0 fixed those classes in a big way which is why you almost never see much in the way of complaint threads about them anymore unlike how often would see them in the past when the classes were in a bad position like the ranged physical ones are right now. I am just hoping it does not take SE as long to fix our classes as did SMN and DRG. I find it a little annoying also when a DRG for example which I have seen happen comes in to have a go at bards asking the class to be fixed when prior to 3.0 many DRG's were doing the same thing in asking theirs to be fixed...how quickly some people change their tune when it is no longer their class which needs fixing.