Hopefully Alexander/Savage will be 24 mans.

[Sapphic]

There have been things I have done that you haven't.

Yet you are still calling them boring as if you have experienced them. Thats my point, you are commenting on something with no experience of what you are calling out. Pointing out the reality that you cannot make an accurate judgement of something without even experiencing it is not Elitism (look up the definition of the word will you?) it's a fact.

I said to get the experience, them make an educated, experienced comment. You will have your chance when Alex savage is released to get that actual experience of cutting edge 8 person raiding and then you can accuratly conclude on how you find them. Now if you were asking for a hard version of the 24 person raid that is already planned, I would agree. But trying to change something that is already established (8 person hard content) then no. Players enjoy it. You never know if you ever experience it, you might enjoy it too. But until you actually experience, your complaints about them being "boring" are asinine.

And as an aside, I've been raiding since EQ1.

Crystal Tower was a lot more popular then Coils, pretty much everyone did them because they were fun, and didn't require so much being in sync. However I think they could still keep its popularity and pump up the difficulty.

Everyone did them because they were easy, and for non raiders, became the best way outside hunts, to obtain upgrade items for tome gear.

Also if you can't find a static, make one!

[Nektulos-Tuor]

Then, in that case I can call in your education on previous games that have 24 player raids. I can say that you have little to no experience in them so you shouldn't doubt my opinion because you haven't done them.

I am not attempting to change something "already established" since you seem to have the magical ability of foresight and can see the future. I am trying to attempt to ask for more 24 player raids that are challenging.

Everyone did them because they were easy, and for non raiders, became the best way outside hunts, to obtain upgrade items for tome gear.
Also if you can't find a static, make one!

Sorry to break your bubble, but they are more "raids" then definition then Coil is. Even if they are easier. Coil is still just a party fight.

Just like there were hard encounters that were party fights in other games, it is just rare. Not many games make party fights that are harder then raids except ones like this.

If the developers did "disagree" then they would rename "Full Party" to "Raid".

[Sapphic]

Then, in that case I can call in your education on previous games that have 24 player raids. I can say that you have little to no experience in them so you shouldn't doubt my opinion because you haven't done them.

I am not attempting to change something "already established" since you seem to have the magical ability of foresight and can see the future. I am trying to attempt to ask for more 24 player raids that are challenging.

What relevance has other games got on changing something in FFXIV? Do you want to change content in "them other games"? No, you want to change something in FFXIV. But if you want to play that game, Ive raided 80 person in EQ1, mained as Dark Elf Cleric. Raided upto and including first expansion of EQ2 mained as Dark Elf Shadowknight (still one of my fave tanking classes, using life taps and diseases to hold hate, and they could hold hate), Raided in AoC the first year when gear made little difference and blocking was active, not RNG based, if you didn't get the hang of it, you died, gear didnt carry you. Raided in LOTRO from launch and Mines of Moria, Raided in Swtor, cleared all, left before it went Free to play, as found it boringly easy, even the hardest setting we one shotted. Also in DCUO, we were clearing raids the same day they were released, getting server firsts. I could go on but none of that has any relevance to FFXIV. It's a different game.

Did you forget what thread title you posted? here, a reminder.

Hopefully Alexander/Savage will be 24 mans.

You are wanting to change something that is established as being 8 person content to 24 person content, because you find 8 person raids oring, even though you havnt experienced them when they were cutting edge (nerfed/echod does not count as the difficulty is drastically reduced).

Sorry to break your bubble, but they are more "raids" then definition then Coil is. Even if they are easier. Coil is still just a party fight.

My bubble is still in one piece, thankyouverymuch! Look under raids on the duty finder, it has *dumdum duuuuum" Coil. To SE it is a raid, thus it is a raid. Your definition is irrelevant.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

My bubble is still in one piece, thankyouverymuch! Look under raids on the duty finder, it has *dumdum duuuuum" Coil. To SE it is a raid, thus it is a raid. Your definition is irrelevant.

Funny, the definition of it clearly states "Your Party." "Your Party." ect ect. They probably put it under "Raids" tab to make it easier, however the definiton of the very zone uses the word "Party".

World of Darkness, Crystal Tower, Labyrinth does not have those definitions.

[Sapphic]

Funny, the definition of it clearly states "Your Party." "Your Party." ect ect. They probably put it under "Raids" tab to make it easier, however the definiton of the very zone uses the word "Party".

World of Darkness, Crystal Tower, Labyrinth does not have those definitions.

Now you are just going into semantics to try and dodge the meat of my reply. No, CT calls it an alliance, so that musn't be a raid either as it doesn't state raid......

[Nestama]

Doesn't the term raid (for MMO's) define difficult boss fights and party coordination (which is pretty much the only way to really beat any Coil boss pre-nerf)? That's something the Crystal Tower 'raids' lack, yet we still call it that because it's 24 people content.

[Sapphic]

Doesn't the term raid (for MMO's) define difficult boss fights and party coordination (which is pretty much the only way to really beat any Coil boss pre-nerf)? That's something the Crystal Tower 'raids' lack, yet we still call it that because it's 24 people content.

Pretty much whatever the game designer wants to call a raid, is a raid XD

[AltanRapsied]

I do would agree but 24man is far too complicated to organize in a FC. And don't tell me duty finder, damn Itry to not use this shit as most as possible. Still haven't down any EX with it, and don't even talk about coil.

[uryu17]

I ask for 24 man raid with a harder difficulty in the live letter forums a couple of days ago. Hope they say yeah. As far as it being hard to get a 24 man raid together, that would not be a hard task. Unless you are lazy. You have fourms and if people want to raid in 24 man raid content they find you, lots of people use the fourms for recruiting or look for a static and are more then willing to change severs.

[uryu17]

You could also shout and use duty finder and there are loads of people in the LS that can get statics going or create a 24 man raid FC. Me personally I would love to see harder content for 24 man raid. For those who think it can\\\\'t be done simply don\\\\'t want it to be done. Some people just don\\\\'t like change and when threatens them, they rally and try and stop it. Not saying you guys are who disagree. Just saying it happens. But yeah we already have 24 man raid and people do use then offen, all SOE has to do is make the raid harder and increase the Item Level. Also if you don\\\\'t want or like the content that we would like to be implemented, because you don\\\\'t want to put in the effort or what ever the reason.