A serious discussion about abridging the story quest 1-50 (discouraging new players)

[Zabuza]

Falling back to the "You didn't understand/You didn't read", which is this forum's favorite conversation dismissal phrase?

I understood your post, you just said something completely ridiculous in it. The MSQ gives meaning to the world if you *let* it. I've skipped every single cutscene from 2.1 forward to the end of Heavensward. The MSQ gave me Experience points and gear, nothing else.

Grinding dungeons for gear is okay, because that's been the standard for games for approximately forever in RPGs.

Is it possible, *JUST POSSIBLE*, that having a different opinion than you DOESN'T mean people are brainwashed by "that other game"? Could it be that some people like dungeons, but not quests? What if a person never played "that other game", how would you account for them being brainwashed?

There you go, you literally just admitted to being brainwashed. As for your last sentence, the influence of that other game stretches over the entire MMO genre itself. They made this model popular, and other MMO creators emulated it. So even if someone hadn't played that juggernaut MMO, they likely played a game based off the same model, or had a conception of what an MMO was supposed to be, all shaped from that game. If you wanna talk standards for just RPGs, gating things behind the story is also a staple of single player RPGs, or at least FF in general. If we're talking MMOs well... see above.

And yes, you did misunderstand. I wasn't saying the same people who want to skip the MSQ also want free best in slot gear. Far from it. They accept they won't get best in slot gear as ok but somehow now that they have to complete a story, that's a travesty.