MCH worth my time?

[Hayward]

There is a huge stigma against mch, and with any game, stigmas don't go away even with changes, for a long, long time. The answer you are looking for is no.

The only stigma present is coming from idiots copypasting nonsense from the usual elitist forums. That Party Finder groups are preemptively excluding MCH from groups says a lot about the character of these folks. It reeks of FFXI elitism and needs to be stopped by the developers.

MCH and BRD may need some work in terms of damage output but to hear some of these Chicken Littles on the forum, you'd think SE intended to make both jobs unplayable.

[MrSmiley]

The only stigma present is coming from idiots copypasting nonsense from the usual elitist forums. That Party Finder groups are preemptively excluding MCH from groups says a lot about the character of these folks. It reeks of FFXI elitism and needs to be stopped by the developers.

MCH and BRD may need some work in terms of damage output but to hear some of these Chicken Littles on the forum, you'd think SE intended to make both jobs unplayable.

While often times people do blow things out of proportion, mch IS being outdamaged by offtanks, and that IS a serious, matter even if they can clear all current content unlike what some would have you believe. The exclusion matter is bad and pre-emptive from people who don't really understand whats needed to clear these bosses, but at least it brings the real issue at hand to se quicker.

[NovaLevossida]

While often times people do blow things out of proportion, mch IS being outdamaged by offtanks, and that IS a serious, matter even if they can clear all current content unlike what some would have you believe. The exclusion matter is bad and pre-emptive from people who don't really understand whats needed to clear these bosses, but at least it brings the real issue at hand to se quicker.

All of this. We don't need to pretend there's not a problem. The more people fuss, the quicker it gets realized / fixed.

[Ryaz]

All of this. We don't need to pretend there's not a problem. The more people fuss, the quicker it gets realized / fixed.

It MAY get fixed faster. I remember how long it took for Druid issues to be fixed in WoW. But I also agree with Hayward, when people are constantly bemoaning a class, it leaves a really bad impression on everyone else and it's what leads to them being excluded. It turns from "MCH have low DPS" to "MCH can't clear content because their DPS is so low", which isn't true, of course. In some ways, we're our own worst enemy.

Best thing to do is keep giving good feedback on our issues instead of making all these RIP MCH threads. The latter just hurts us more and more.

[NovaLevossida]

It MAY get fixed faster. I remember how long it took for Druid issues to be fixed in WoW. But I also agree with Hayward, when people are constantly bemoaning a class, it leaves a really bad impression on everyone else and it's what leads to them being excluded. It turns from "MCH have low DPS" to "MCH can't clear content because their DPS is so low", which isn't true, of course. In some ways, we're our own worst enemy.

Best thing to do is keep giving good feedback on our issues instead of making all these RIP MCH threads. The latter just hurts us more and more.

I don't think the bad stigma thing is as much of an issue in this game as in FFXI. When WAR got fixed, the hate thrown my way for my job choice went away almost immediately. SMN got buffed and the negative impressions people had of that job went away immediately. Nothing in this game after a fix has had quite the same long-lastging stigma as lolBST, lolDRG, and lolPUP did in FFXI even when BSTs properly played didn't "steal" party experience, up until the point where they made an entire expansion basically weak to DRG's thrusting damage, and even still despite PUP with RNG frame outparsing traditional damage dealer jobs leveling in Aht Urgan on everyone's favorite bird, the colibri.

So I don't fear much for negative stigma persisting in this game after a fix based on past experiences.

[Giyari]

Is getting kicked from a group due to being a MCH even ok?

Couldn't you report someone, or would it be pointless due to fact you can't prove that is why you got kicked?

[SovereignAegis]

Is getting kicked from a group due to being a MCH even ok?

Couldn't you report someone, or would it be pointless due to fact you can't prove that is why you got kicked?

Party finder groups are actually allowed to pick and chose what DPS they take outright, so I wouldn't be shocked about kicks being dealt out being "okay".

Like literally if a PF group doing BisEX wanted to exclude machinist rather than kick they could just instead allow every DPs OTHER THAN Bard/MCH to join their group. This is something I see frequerntly.

[Greywolfamakir]

OK to have a little less power, like in 2.5. Not OK to be the only ones stuck at lvl 50 while the others have fun with their great new lvl 60 skills. Personally, I didn't play my BRD in Heavensward yet (not worth it) and gave up on the MCH.There is a lot to do, no time to waste with trash classes.

+1
Since the release, I have been playing BRD and MCH day by day, killing Bis Ex and Ravana Ex, I think Im doing a really good job with BRD and MCH, but when I check my parser I really feel Im being "rushed" by real DPSs like DRG, BLM, SMN, NIN or MNK. My DPS is just like 15-20% lower than top DPS, but I'm not giving TP or MP regen, my party dont need it, then Im doing full DPS...SE hasn't said anything about MCH boost or MCH changes...I don't expect changes at soon to be honest, I would like to keep playing with my mates and dont feel that my group is carring my...If I'm taking a DPS spot I would like to do DPS...
Reroll to another job is a good idea I think.

[Amulrei]

The only stigma present is coming from idiots copypasting nonsense from the usual elitist forums. That Party Finder groups are preemptively excluding MCH from groups says a lot about the character of these folks. It reeks of FFXI elitism and needs to be stopped by the developers.

MCH and BRD may need some work in terms of damage output but to hear some of these Chicken Littles on the forum, you'd think SE intended to make both jobs unplayable.

The reality is though, why the stigma is around is rather irrelevant. The fact is the stigma IS there and has some pretty damn good reasons for being there. You cannot argue the matter is hyperbole when tanks can literally out-DPS a supposed DPS class.

[Croisciento]

It's worth your time.

If you truly enjoy the class then just play it. We'll probably get to see some changes before Alexander savage comes out since Alexander normal mode will be as "hard" as extreme primal. The class wont probably be left behind, but they need actual data to see the weight of a machinist/bard in a 8 man group.