memorial service for MCH

[LeonarRimon]

Just finished my 10 RavEX runs. I parsed around 630 when I went all out only behind our monk that was at 690. I don't think MCH is that bad... def not bad enough to be insta-kicked from parties.
Sure gauss barrel needs work and the RNG could be changed for a better play experience nevertheless it still is a capable class.

EDIT: For mistake.

[Ryaz]

Just finished my 10 RavEX runs. I parsed around 630 when I went all out only behind our monk that was at 660. I don't think MCH is that bad... def not bad to be insta-kicked from parties.
Sure gauss barrel needs work and the RNG could be changed for a better play experience nevertheless it still is a capable class.

I think I know why they have the RNG in there. Because split shot on its own hits HARD for a spammable opener to a combo. For example, ninja has spinning edge, which is 150 potency. We have split shot, which is 140 *1.2 = 169 or 192 with ammunition. Add in GB and it becomes about 202 potency or 230 with ammo. That's pretty damn good, especially when you add in your turret 94 potency. The RNG averages it.

If they gave us our auto-attacks back on GB, and maybe lowered the cooldown on reload a bit, I think the job would be more than fine.

[AxelDH]

The problem is that the current endgame fights don't really need the support that Machinists (and Bards!) can offer. So they're a little underappreciated at the moment.

But when it comes to raiding, there will no doubt be a requirement for TP/MP regen once more. And both MCH and BRD can forgo their turret stances and assume the roles of 'mechanic handlers' while still putting in decent DPS.

For machinists specifically, there may be mechanics/adds where heavy/bind/knockback/silence/stun are useful in dealing with. They also have the means to reduce enemy attack power by 5%, which could be a help when it comes to surviving tank busters or raid wide attacks at the lowest possible gear levels.

So, I think you should stick it out a bit longer and see what utility you can bring to the actual raids!

[LeonarRimon]

The problem is that the current endgame fights don't really need the support that Machinists (and Bards!) can offer. So they're a little underappreciated at the moment.

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So, I think you should stick it out a bit longer and see what utility you can bring to the actual raids!

I absolutely agree. For BisEX and RavEx Mp regen were def needed and TP regen is always good.

We have no idea how alexandar mechanics will be, but if we look on past experience from coils silence and bind were key cds for T7/T9 and some others.

Lol, main reason why I choose machinist was for the rend mind and dismantle, I remember how key monk's debuff was for us when progressing through T13. (Which we really had a hard time with when we initially had no monk)

[ChalupaBatman]

Just finished my 10 RavEX runs. I parsed around 630 when I went all out only behind our monk that was at 690. I don't think MCH is that bad... def not bad enough to be insta-kicked from parties.
Sure gauss barrel needs work and the RNG could be changed for a better play experience nevertheless it still is a capable class.

EDIT: For mistake.

Our MNK is usually at 800+, so maybe it isn't a good idea to gauge your discrepancy versus the one you play with.

In Ravena MCH would still be behind by 200+, only way to compete is if you can get a DRG to lend you 10%.

[Sen_Terrechant]

but but, you are not even play MCH yourself (or unlock it, when I check). Everything sound good in skill description & paper, but you gotta try it yourself

I dont need to have it unlocked to be able to see what its able to do in the hands of a good player, and can just look to my FC mates for that- and yes they pull very very good numbers for being a SUPPORT DPS (although, you have to work hard for them)

[Shneibel]

I dont need to have it unlocked to be able to see what its able to do in the hands of a good player, and can just look to my FC mates for that- and yes they pull very very good numbers for being a SUPPORT DPS (although, you have to work hard for them)

so basicly, everything you said is from other exp and not your own. When you say good number, I would like to have proof as well

[LeonarRimon]

Our MNK is usually at 800+, so maybe it isn't a good idea to gauge your discrepancy versus the one you play with.

In Ravena MCH would still be behind by 200+, only way to compete is if you can get a DRG to lend you 10%.

Aw thanks for pointing that out. I usually give that specific monk (he switched main to monk) high praise but I guess he was slacking lol.

[IfritReborn]

so basicly, everything you said is from other exp and not your own. When you say good number, I would like to have proof as well

Are you still waiting for that proof? Because I am.

[Massterchef]

Full GB dummy parses are pretty moot at this point, considering the ones posted are typically ~50 DPS higher than their actual average. Plus, you won't be able to run full GB in primals, let alone raids.

That being said 700+ in both Bismark/Rav is very attainable and that is by no means terrible DPS in those primals.