memorial service for MCH

[Osakachan]

I did discover that our 1-2-3 is NOT a linear combo, as I'm sure many already knew. If you're willing to sacrifice the damage that could be done, you can easily use Slug Shot and proc Clean, go BACK and use Split, proc Slug, use your proc-Clean, use your proc-Slug, and still potentially get ANOTHER proc Clean Shot. Without Ammo. In a nutshell: 2 (proc 3), 1 (proc 2), 3, 2 (possibly proc 3 again), 3. And you could possibly do that infinitely.

This post is really good, never thought to change my rotation always just followed the 1-2-3 pattern waiting for procs. DPSing this way i gained about 200 dps, a huge increase to what i was doing, and im in full 180 gear and after doing countless Bismark EX runs and failing because of lack of dps, i felt like giving up. now im gonna try this new style and see if it helps down the darn whale.

[Shneibel]

This post is really good, never thought to change my rotation always just followed the 1-2-3 pattern waiting for procs. DPSing this way i gained about 200 dps, a huge increase to what i was doing, and im in full 180 gear and after doing countless Bismark EX runs and failing because of lack of dps, i felt like giving up. now im gonna try this new style and see if it helps down the darn whale.

I dont know if this is serious or sarcasm

[NoahArks]

I dont know if this is serious or sarcasm

Probably sarcasm. I tried it and I lost some dps. It could be possible I'm just insanely unlucky, cause I also have to do atleast 8 dungeon runs of one dungeon before I see a brd/mch drop.

[Ryaz]

Persoanlly, I love MCH. No one in my FC gives me crap about being one and I've had several members compliment me on my ability to play the class properly. Do I believe we need buffs? Of course. Gauss Barrel right now gives us a big negative with cast times for no gain. That's an issue, as is having too much down time between reloads. But other than that, I think the class is fine. Our potencies look low, but are compensated for with increased action damage and our turrets, which make them higher than the tooltip shows. I even tried going back to playing my ninja when all the rumblings started, but found myself having a lot more fun with MCH. So I'm going to stick with it.

I still remember people saying how slow normal Haukke was with a MCH when they first came out. I thought it was me at first, but then chalked it up to gear. Everyone at that time had leveling gear and people weren't synced from their high level stuff. Go in there now with my ilvl of 170 synced down and things are melting even without my turret.

So yes, we need buffs (or tank dps needs nerfs, but I prefer the former) and fixes. But people are making it seem like we're so bad off there's no hope for us, which is going way overboard. All that attitude is doing for us is making more and more people not want to take a MCH based on what's being said instead of what they actually experience for themselves.

[The_Last_Dragoon]

Wait, Machinist? So you guys aren't talking about the new Gambler class?

[SovereignAegis]

I can't believe some people are saying it doesn't need buffs.

I am playing it at present and CAN IT CLEAR CONTENT? YES. YES IT CAN.

As fast as anything else (ANYTHING ELSE)? NO.
Is the utility it brings worth the damage loss? NO.
Do I even notice when I use Dismantle? NO.
Do I even notice when I overcharge turret (aside from MP/TP regain)? NO.
Do I even get the ability to use silence/stun on bosses? NO.

So we paid for our cake and we didn't even get to freaking eat it.

I am leveling it to 60 finally and it can clear content, but it does so in a totally horrendous way and I literally am playing it to it's maximum potential. I out DPS people, but it's obvious THEY don't know their classes rotation when I do or they are doing that "1-1-1-1-1-1-1" afk-dps spam.

Wait, Machinist? So you guys aren't talking about the new Gambler class?

Final Fantasy: Triple Triad reborn ...

AKA machinist.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Probably not with 1-1-1-1. . .

[Twilite]

I've played with a few MCHs.. didn't see anything wrong. But on the other hand, DPS is supposed to work together anyway.

[SpiritMuse]

Yeah I think I'm hanging up my gun for the time being. It kind of loses its luster once you realize it takes you that much longer to kill anything.

[Ryaz]

I remember reading this on different sites:

"Machinists on the other hand employ the use of guns and turrets to barrage the enemy from afar, similar to Bards. A lot of their most powerful abilities require ammunition to be pre-loaded, with some costing ever increasing amounts. And with only two ways of gaining ammunition - a quick reload cooldown for one, and a longer reload ability that gives you the max of five - players will have to spend it wisely during combat. It adds a nice element of resource management that rewards intelligent thinking, which is refreshingly different from the dull ranged DPS technique of standing in one place and spamming abilities.

Their guns can also be upgraded with different barrels, trading increased firepower for increased resource costs. Their turret drones come in two flavours: a ranged gatling gun, and an AoE lightning spammer. Interestingly, they can both trade their offensive capabilities, to be turned into TP and MP generators that can affect allies in a large AoE."

What we got is quite a bit different. No powerful abilities locked behind ammo, no real resource management, and only actual barrel that doesn't cost more resources, just roots you in place for no real gain. Makes me wonder what happened between then and now that gave us an RNG slot machine.