Endgame toxicity

[SovereignAegis]

I am kind of annoyed at the EX primals because we have no other methods to gain equivalent gear like relic weapon.

I am appauled at the fact I can't get top grade gear because my parties DO HOLD ME BACK. I never would make a PF group nor do I share their ridiculous "elitist" mentality as I think it is cocky and disgusting at best, but I am personally able to share some of their... disappointment in groups.

I have yet to beat Bismark Ex, not for a lack of MY contribution, hell I even lay down DoTs when I can between healing... but there is NOTHING I can do to get myself through it. It is a giant DPS check and makes me as a healer main feel helpless.


At this point I am going to just level MCH to 60 and farm Alex later. This ridiculous EX Primal only to get the i190 weapon has me so turned off of the game I am better off to just level my unviable DPS I wish was viable.

[Krylo]

there is NOTHING I can do to get myself through it.

If you're as good as you say you are, make a clear party in PF yourself with only one heal slot and 5 DPS slots. Then solo-heal it. Bismark doesn't have that much damage going out if the tanks are halfway decent with the necessary swaps, and with 5 DPS slots, about 3 of your DPS can basically be awful and still average out to the same DPS as four decent-good DPS.

[Shamirah]

Well Krylo, you have to take in mind that if the dps are bad, they're gonna die because of aoe/mechanics (like attacking the wrong snake).

But I do see your point

[Mhikail]

Right now there are Two Learner groups in Balmung PF for Ravana AND Bismarck.
This stuff is as old as time itself. This is literally nothing new expect now it's new content with the same
asinine conditions with junk being out less than a week and people who didn't piss or eat for 2 days
want the rest to be godlike in the same amount of time. It's ridiculous.

[Shamirah]

Right now there are Two Learner groups in Balmung PF for Ravana AND Bismarck.
This stuff is as old as time itself. This is literally nothing new expect now it's new content with the same
asinine conditions with junk being out less than a week and people who didn't piss or eat for 2 days
want the rest to be godlike in the same amount of time. It's ridiculous.

Most of the time, the people who ask for insane conditions are bad themselves and want others to carry them. Thus why most DF groups disband after 2 wipes.

[Krylo]

Well Krylo, you have to take in mind that if the dps are bad, they're gonna die because of aoe/mechanics (like attacking the wrong snake).

But I do see your point

Eh, in my experience a lot of people who do really bad DPS still manage to avoid things and do mechanics fine. A lot of people doing poor dps do so because they just don't grok the rotation, and, further, don't KNOW they're doing it wrong because no one has told them otherwise and it's not always super obvious what the rotation should be (black mages especially, as their rotations are a bit less obvious, in general--like it's pretty counter intuitive that you'd not bother using thunder procs during enochian because of the threat of enochian falling off and it messing up your entire rotation).

In my own runs I've seen the underperforming DPS survive to the failed check most of the time.

I mean, if they're just bad at EVERYTHING, well, then, it's your PF and at that point you can just be like 'listen you keep messing up mechanics, and I'm sorry but I'm going to need to replace you'. Which is another advantage of making your own.

[Whiteroom]

Tbh, they can set up their own group how ever they like. I think you are the one in the wrong for thinking that they are bad people for not carrying you.

Maybe they do teah other times, they could have had a long day and just want smooth runs. Maybe they just want smooth runs regardless of thier day. It not upnto them to have frustration in their relaxation time just because you want a ggod group to carry you. That you think so is more than a little selfish. Yes setting up your own team is a solution, and the best one. Clearly state what you are looking for and stand by it. If enough are looking for that, you will get a group.

Do you have any idea how annoying it is to have a couple of people who are looking for a carry to sneak into your group, that you spent almost an hour setting up, only to make it fail and disband? Do you realize how common it is for this to happen?

[Ulathskullsplitter]

Keep in mind that the majority of the player base are nowhere near that level of content. Wait until the normal players who have jobs and don't live with their parents get to 60.

This. Though i wish I didn't have to work so much and had more time to play. And it's because I know how this goes in this game. If you don't learn ex primals in the first week you are pretty much screwed. The same people who are now being rude in PF and only wanting experienced players etc are the same ones a few days ago who would have been fine wiping and having fun learning it themselves. After that first week or so the hostility kicks in. If you dont already have a clear then you're a scrub. Even learning parties now will be much more hostile because the expectations are that others are clearing already so we should be too.

[Whiteroom]

The 20 people that liked your post are doing the same thing you're doing, not taking into account for things even with making your own group. Making your own groups are also subject to toxicity as you could end up not finding anyone, or they will be impatient and leave. And even then you can have those put off a bit by your newness, and drop at the first sign of death(pun intended).

Be more considerate.

Sooo.... would it be considerate to join a farm group, know you dont have it on farm and causing it to fail? Of cousre not, those who have already put in the time tonhave it on farm have the responability to carry you through... they say the word entitlement gets thrown around a bit easily on video game forms, but maybe its the most fitting place for it.

Be more considerate.

[heit]

Maybe I'm out of touch, but last I checked, this was a video game not a heart transplant.

I'd like to see SE remove the descriptions from PF and observe what happens to the community... We'd really see some abuse reports then.