Sooooo this warrior bs...

[Praesul]

Oh god I am so sick of people saying PLD make better main tanks than WAR.

I know a lot of people dont realize just how powerful Sword Oath and Inner Beast are, but damn, at least do some testing for yourselves before stating things like they\\'re fact....

Pre-HW, WAR made better main tanks because not only do they do more damage main tanking (because of Unchained and abilities that ignore the Defiance damage penalty), but they also had the benefit of NEVER RUNNING OUT OF MITIGATION. Back when I was doing t5, I could have inner beast up for EVERY death sentence. If you did it as PLD, you would eventually run out of cooldowns (Dependant on group DPS).

Cntn...

[PerihVashai]

Oh god I am so sick of people saying PLD make better main tanks than WAR.

I know a lot of people dont realize just how powerful Sword Oath and Inner Beast are, but damn, at least do some testing for yourselves before stating things like they\\'re fact....

Pre-HW, WAR made better main tanks because not only do they do more damage main tanking (because of Unchained and abilities that ignore the Defiance damage penalty), but they also had the benefit of NEVER RUNNING OUT OF MITIGATION. Back when I was doing t5, I could have inner beast up for EVERY death sentence. If you did it as PLD, you would eventually run out of cooldowns (Dependant on group DPS).

Cntn...

A lot of people are running off SCOB and FCOB stigmas where the tank busters aren't every 10 seconds and PLDs can have a CD up for all of them. Also let's be real, most WARs are bad. PLDs are the safer route because they can survive even if they don't pop a CD, due to parry&block rate and a passive 20% mitigation.

[Praesul]

And PLD have always done more damage than WAR if you had them outside of their tanking stance. Sword Oath is a stupidly powerful damage buff, if any other melee job had it their DPS would shoot through the roof. As long as the WAR kept Storm's Eye up (which they should be doing anyway), the PLD would do more damage. Fight or Flight being up often, strong OffGCD abilities, and sword oath made for some mad tank deeps

WAR on the other hand, gets enhancements to their already strong burst in both single target and aoe situations (in fact, WAR is probably still aoe king). In terms of tanking abilities, they got Raw Intuition to make up for one of WAR's weaknesses: smoothing out sustained damage. WAR are fantastic at taking burst damage because of inner beast + large HP pools + mitigation cooldowns.

[Praesul]

Both PLD and WAR are in very good spots damage and tankwise and I'm very happy with the additions to both.

DRK, on the other hand...

P.s. sorry for multippst, won't let me edit posts on mobile.

[Hundred]

Both PLD and WAR are in very good spots damage and tankwise and I'm very happy with the additions to both.

DRK, on the other hand...

P.s. sorry for multippst, won't let me edit posts on mobile.

Drk on the other hand has similar dealing to Pre-HW Pld, where if Big hits are on large CD's its no problem with the exception of Dark Mind having a short cooldown by previous paladin standards and having Dark Dance on a shorter cooldown for AA crap. Drk's real caveat outside of bugs is the "What else" do they do. If anything they gave up 'support' for a gap closer & aoes of questionable value.

[PerihVashai]

And PLD have always done more damage than WAR if you had them outside of their tanking stance. Sword Oath is a stupidly powerful damage buff, if any other melee job had it their DPS would shoot through the roof. As long as the WAR kept Storm's Eye up (which they should be doing anyway), the PLD would do more damage. Fight or Flight being up often, strong OffGCD abilities, and sword oath made for some mad tank deeps

WAR on the other hand, gets enhancements to their already strong burst in both single target and aoe situations (in fact, WAR is probably still aoe king). In terms of tanking abilities, they got Raw Intuition to make up for one of WAR's weaknesses: smoothing out sustained damage. WAR are fantastic at taking burst damage because of inner beast + large HP pools + mitigation cooldowns.

Well back before eye's duration got extended it was a lot harder to keep eye, path, and block. Especially if the paladin isn't fracturing and they were just going through halone spam. But yes as long as eye didn't get sacrificed as WAR MT, PLD OT was always the optimal in terms of dps. Especially considering it makes use of both the PLD's and WAR's CDs with cover sentinel.