Sooooo this warrior bs...

[Skypirate]

You can tell me War DPS Is Insane when we can stop that priest from summoning 4 gargoyles before he dies .

4 Attempts and I still can't lol.

[Sleigh]

I think the DPS difference in real fights we're seeing is the way WARs do damage lines up well with Bismark/Ravana phase changes. They have great sustained but also the best burst, so if you put them in an environment where they can offload that damage then everyone has to stand around regenerating CDs for 25s then they're going to do more than PLD/DRK, in either MT or OT roles.

I imagine in fights like coil where there will be more uptime to downtime the DPS will somewhat balance out.

[PerihVashai]

People I have talked to in my FC who do statics say warrior's can actually do more dps than actual dps classes. Been hearing of 10-15k fell cleave crits which is pretty crazy for a tank of all things.

I've said this multiple times and I'll say it again, not that it will change the casual mind set. These numbers are GROSSLY exaggerated and only attainable under perfect circumstances on Ravana Ex during the vulnerability up.

Warrior DPS imo is where it should be we're roughly parsing 200-250 below DPS of equal caliber. You're comparing good WARs to bad DPS. Being able to outperform bad DPS as a tank is nothing new. I've been doing it for a while. Where WAR DPS is relative to good DPS is in the same position prior to deliverance (which imo is disappointing.) Now comparing it to BRD/MCH is different those classes BADLY need an increase in damage.

[Tila]

I've said this multiple times and I'll say it again, not that it will change the casual mind set. These numbers are GROSSLY exaggerated and only attainable under perfect circumstances on Ravana Ex during the vulnerability up.

Warrior DPS imo is where it should be we're roughly parsing 200-250 below DPS of equal caliber. You're comparing good WARs to bad DPS. Being able to outperform bad DPS as a tank is nothing new. I've been doing it for a while. Where WAR DPS is relative to good DPS is in the same position prior to deliverance (which imo is disappointing.) Now comparing it to BRD/MCH is different those classes BADLY need an increase in damage.

The question is, how does WAR DPS compare to PLD? If PLD is on par with warrior DPS, its a major issue since the PLD has flat out better mitigation.

[PerihVashai]

Something people are neglecting is both PLD and DRK have over a 500 potency dot as well where fracture is still 300 too. DRK has a higher base damage on abilities in addition to their 450 and 250 dmg off GCDs. PLDs have a 540 potency dot and have a stronger potency combos. Keep in mind both these classes have their highest potency combos without going through any real hate pulling ability as well.

[PerihVashai]

The question is, how does WAR DPS compare to PLD? If PLD is on par with warrior DPS, its a major issue since the PLD has flat out better mitigation.

Depends on the fight actually, Ravana EX is a perfect example of where a WAR has more/equal to mitigation than a PLD. If it's something where the big hitters are on a higher CD then PLD will trump. I haven't done much PLD testing yet I've been working on my WAR rotations rather thoroughly. Theres about 5 different ones to use depending on when you pull and where infuriate are up, also how many GCDs you can get off before the mob jumps/invulns. All of them require different IR and pot timings it's annoying QQ.

[Praesul]

Oh god I am so sick of people saying PLD make better main tanks than WAR.

I know a lot of people dont realize just how powerful Sword Oath and Inner Beast are, but damn, at least do some testing for yourselves before stating things like they\\'re fact....

Pre-HW, WAR made better main tanks because not only do they do more damage main tanking (because of Unchained and abilities that ignore the Defiance damage penalty), but they also had the benefit of NEVER RUNNING OUT OF MITIGATION. Back when I was doing t5, I could have inner beast up for EVERY death sentence. If you did it as PLD, you would eventually run out of cooldowns (Dependant on group DPS).

Cntn...

[PerihVashai]

Oh god I am so sick of people saying PLD make better main tanks than WAR.

I know a lot of people dont realize just how powerful Sword Oath and Inner Beast are, but damn, at least do some testing for yourselves before stating things like they\\'re fact....

Pre-HW, WAR made better main tanks because not only do they do more damage main tanking (because of Unchained and abilities that ignore the Defiance damage penalty), but they also had the benefit of NEVER RUNNING OUT OF MITIGATION. Back when I was doing t5, I could have inner beast up for EVERY death sentence. If you did it as PLD, you would eventually run out of cooldowns (Dependant on group DPS).

Cntn...

A lot of people are running off SCOB and FCOB stigmas where the tank busters aren't every 10 seconds and PLDs can have a CD up for all of them. Also let's be real, most WARs are bad. PLDs are the safer route because they can survive even if they don't pop a CD, due to parry&block rate and a passive 20% mitigation.

[Praesul]

And PLD have always done more damage than WAR if you had them outside of their tanking stance. Sword Oath is a stupidly powerful damage buff, if any other melee job had it their DPS would shoot through the roof. As long as the WAR kept Storm's Eye up (which they should be doing anyway), the PLD would do more damage. Fight or Flight being up often, strong OffGCD abilities, and sword oath made for some mad tank deeps

WAR on the other hand, gets enhancements to their already strong burst in both single target and aoe situations (in fact, WAR is probably still aoe king). In terms of tanking abilities, they got Raw Intuition to make up for one of WAR's weaknesses: smoothing out sustained damage. WAR are fantastic at taking burst damage because of inner beast + large HP pools + mitigation cooldowns.

[Praesul]

Both PLD and WAR are in very good spots damage and tankwise and I'm very happy with the additions to both.

DRK, on the other hand...

P.s. sorry for multippst, won't let me edit posts on mobile.