Equilibrium vs. Clemency

[Abigs]

not a good comparison.. clemency has a long cast time (3 seconds) and on normal cases healers (faster heals) get to top you off (or any party member) before your heal lands.. warriors use equilibrium for o-shit moments when heals are needed most (after a spike / tank buster). yes you can precast clemency.. that is if you're lucky enough not to get interrupted

im not 60 yet but i think the most ideal situation for clemency to get really used is when off tanking to help lighten the healing load. then again it costs more than a third of your mana bar so you really wont be able to spam it anyways

equilibrium (for tanking)
clemency (for offtanking)

[GeekMatt]

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Not a bad POV, but getting interrupted mid-cast is rare. In Titan HM and EX for example, I can Stoneskin myself prior to every mountain buster despite the fact that he gives you 2 punches to the face immediately before MB (In HM--I don't think he consistently does the punches in EX?). In The Vault last week I was tanking the boss and able to save my healer using Clemency.

[Abigs]

Not a bad POV, but getting interrupted mid-cast is rare. In Titan HM and EX for example, I can Stoneskin myself prior to every mountain buster despite the fact that he gives you 2 punches to the face immediately before MB (In HM--I don't think he consistently does the punches in EX?). In The Vault last week I was tanking the boss and able to save my healer using Clemency.

assuming no interrupts, i really think that precast stoneskin is still more efficient (when tanking) since it only costs 600-700 mana and you need not worry on overheals nor the timing since you can cast stoneskin before during or after the tank buster (not all healers precast stoneskin)

again assuming no interrupts clemency is fine.. but will guzzle most of your mana.. you'll worry on overheals and if you cast it early it'll just go to waste

[ArdorGrey]

With pld in its current states does anyone think it would be possible for pld ot to sub for a healer in an 8 man, and would doing so be worth the trade off?

[Abigs]

With pld in its current states does anyone think it would be possible for pld ot to sub for a healer in an 8 man, and would doing so be worth the trade off?

no, impossible.. clemency has a huge ass cast time and casting cost.. you'll run dry after 2-3 casts AND you'll need to riot blade like 3-4x just to recast once..

[GeekMatt]

With pld in its current states does anyone think it would be possible for pld ot to sub for a healer in an 8 man, and would doing so be worth the trade off?

If PLD can replace a healer, then you're probably better of solo healing the content and adding in a DPS. I can get off 2 heals and a Stoneskin and be at 0 HM, spending multiple GCDs to refill.
Alternatively a PLD MT could assist a solo healer in certain respects, and being MT would mean more MP regeneration.

[SirTaint]

I would gladly swap Clemency for Equilibrium as a PLD. oGCD vs 3 second cast time.

[ArdorGrey]

no, impossible.. clemency has a huge ass cast time and casting cost.. you'll run dry after 2-3 casts AND you'll need to riot blade like 3-4x just to recast once..

Appreciate the feedback. Still something to keep in mind as we get more and more geared and mp management becomes easier. I was thinking about not only this but also their aoe shield, cover, etc.

[Ashkendor]

Appreciate the feedback. Still something to keep in mind as we get more and more geared and mp management becomes easier. I was thinking about not only this but also their aoe shield, cover, etc.

The more MP you get, the higher the cost will go though. At i178 I have 5204 base mana and Clemency has a cost of 2121. I can still only cast twice before I have to start with the Riot Blade spam, which is kinda slow. I heal myself for a base amount of around 4.1k without any buffs. I've seen a crit as high as 6.5k. It has a huge drawback in the form of the 3 second cast time, though. In party content, I mostly end up using it if I see that the healer is falling behind or if several people get hit hard all at once. I can see how it might be useful to proc your own Divine Veil for some mitigation on nearby party members. Sometimes it ends up being an overheal, but overhealing is definitely better than dead party members. It's also a decent ability to hit right after a tank buster has cast since even bosses don't usually chain skills back to back. It's an extremely potent solo skill, to be sure.

With all that said, I don't see a Paladin replacing a healer. The mana cost is simply too steep.

[ArdorGrey]

If PLD can replace a healer, then you're probably better of solo healing the content and adding in a DPS. I can get off 2 heals and a Stoneskin and be at 0 HP, spending multiple GCDs to refill.
Alternatively a tank MT could assist a solo healer in certain respects, and being MT would mean more MP regeneration.

Good point!