Estinien (spoilers)

[TheCount]

For a dragon, he really sounds wishy washy; he wants to make man suffer, but he doesn't want to assist Nidhogg (other than the eye) because Shiva reminds him of the good man had.

He's a damned coward. He holds hatred like nidhogg but doesn't want to betray the pact he made with Shiva, except he does he just does it in a indirect manner by giving him his eye. He knew full well what that would mean, he knew exactly what that would cause. He's as guilty as Nidhogg and an absolute jerk.

[lololink]

He's a damned coward. He holds hatred like nidhogg but doesn't want to betray the pact he made with Shiva, except he does he just does it in a indirect manner by giving him his eye. He knew full well what that would mean, he knew exactly what that would cause. He's as guilty as Nidhogg and an absolute jerk.

I think he just didn't want to lose his brother too, but he is too passive, always being emo whining that Shiva is gone and the remains of her soul give him comfort ( Seriously you had to eat her ... ? ) He doesn't care much about anything except Shiva. Well, he doesn't even care that Niddhog's soldiers are trying to destroy the statue made for him and let the mogs deal with it alone.

[Cilia]

He's a damned coward. He holds hatred like nidhogg but doesn't want to betray the pact he made with Shiva, except he does he just does it in a indirect manner by giving him his eye. He knew full well what that would mean, he knew exactly what that would cause. He's as guilty as Nidhogg and an absolute jerk.

I think that's what pisses me off the most about Hraesvelgr; he has just as much blood on his hands, he's indirectly responsible for everything Nidhogg does after giving him his eye, and he holds just as much hate as Nidhogg... he just doesn't act on it because of Shiva's influence, and absolves himself of responsibility by saying "time is different for dragons" and "your ancestors killed my sister and drove my brother insane, so shut up!"

Estinien says that even though Hraesvelgr never struck a blow, he got his vengeance just the same as Nidhogg, and he's entirely right. Nidhogg was his revenge. Hraesvelgr may have saved Nidhogg out of guilt and pity, but he knew exactly what that would mean in the long term.

[Allyrion]

Estinien says that even though Hraesvelgr never struck a blow, he got his vengeance just the same as Nidhogg, and he's entirely right. Nidhogg was his revenge. Hraesvelgr may have saved Nidhogg out of guilt and pity, but he knew exactly what that would mean in the long term.

Yea, I agree with that.
That much revenge is reasonable.
It was an eye for an eye, literally. Which is fits the morality I'd expect of the dragons.

I don't think he gets upset simply because he's being defensive.
I think he's saying he did as much as he had to, after getting his sister killing.
Thinking he shouldn't have left his brother to die, or to expect some payback was insulting.

Though the current Ishgard is made of innocent people, they did bring it on themselves.
Maybe if the masses knew the truth and the Holy See didn't propogate dragon-hate propaganda, then there would've been reason to defend the humans.
Ishgard never admitted it's sin. As the PC, it's unfair to the innocent, but if you think as Hraevalgr you wouldn't think they really deserve standing up for if they stayed in their ignorance.

Though I guess it's inevitable people would think differently about these event anyway.

[Kaiser-Ace]

I called the Archbishop being evil from day one. The only thing I was ever wrong about (besides having Nighog's and Hraysvelger's roles backwards, and never realised that the Dragoons Job Crystal wasn't Nidhogg's actual Eye) was that The Holy See wasn't in league with Garlemauld.

So the truth finally came out that Thorden VII was indeed the typical SE head priest that turns out to be the Dictator, Monarch, and all around shit pot stirrer not unlike Seymor Guado from FF10. So I'll personally be really happy after we lay waste to the current Ishgaurdian society sociaty by kicking the church out of power.

Though I've not cleared past lvl59 yet, yea I kinda see where our fight with Throden "I'm an Ascaian Stooge" VII is headed. And it wont end well for him.

[Ooshima]

I called the Archbishop being evil from day one. The only thing I was ever wrong about (besides having Nighog's and Hraysvelger's roles backwards, and never realised that the Dragoons Job Crystal wasn't Nidhogg's actual Eye) was that The Holy See wasn't in league with Garlemauld.

So the truth finally came out that Thorden VII was indeed the typical SE head priest that turns out to be the Dictator, Monarch, and all around shit pot stirrer not unlike Seymor Guado from FF10. So I'll personally be really happy after we lay waste to the current Ishgaurdian society sociaty by kicking the church out of power.

Though I've not cleared past lvl59 yet, yea I kinda see where our fight with Throden "I'm an Ascaian Stooge" VII is headed. And it wont end well for him.

The Archbishop screams Barthandelus from day one lol.