Estinien (spoilers)

[Emerald_Wyvern]

In the ending he gets both eyes and is consumed by Nidhogg, transforming into him. Now would it even be possible to save him from that? Alphinaud mentions that he wants to if you talk him, but I'm not sure.

[Lorielle]

In the ending he gets both eyes and is consumed by Nidhogg, transforming into him. Now would it even be possible to save him from that? Alphinaud mentions that he wants to if you talk him, but I'm not sure.

He mentions that if it were possible to find a way to save Estinien, they would have to look into it and make it happen. As of right now, Estinien is as good as dead. I'm still more irked that Iceheart was actually axed. I was really liking her. :/

[Kauthryn]

The loss of characters is a pretty strong Final Fantasy trope and we don't really know that Iceheart is dead. I mean, she "falls to her death," which is almost always a sign that someone will come back.

As for Estinien, he's definitely as good as gone. It felt a little odd that more people weren't shocked by his absence, though.

[Gaiussenpai]

I think it's because most people thought Estinien was a jerk, even though he was well within reason while Iceheart basically relied on a false image to for peace.

[waifugenerator]

The loss of characters is a pretty strong Final Fantasy trope and we don't really know that Iceheart is dead. I mean, she "falls to her death," which is almost always a sign that someone will come back.

As for Estinien, he's definitely as good as gone. It felt a little odd that more people weren't shocked by his absence, though.

She also dispersed into aether, so I think she's gone. (Which is sad because she was my favorite character in HEAVENSWARD)

[Fenral]

She also dispersed into aether, so I think she's gone. (Which is sad because she was my favorite character in HEAVENSWARD)

Remember the thing about souls with the Echo, though. While she probably can't recover her physical body, her soul is eternal in a different way than most mortals. I suspect she'll be able to help Estinien return to his former self, even in her current state.

By bringing Nanamo back so fraking easily, they've kind of turned this into a setting where no major death can be taken seriously.

[Lorielle]

Remember the thing about souls with the Echo, though. While she probably can't recover her physical body, her soul is eternal in a different way than most mortals. I suspect she'll be able to help Estinien return to his former self, even in her current state.

By bringing Nanamo back so fraking easily, they've kind of turned this into a setting where no major death can be taken seriously.

However, that is more believable about Nanamo's "revival" in how it was done(though it was silly), Iceheart's condition is MUCH more complicated than swapping toxins. While she was a plot device, she isn't necessarily one of the "bigger roles" of the story such as the scions and all. So I don't see the group going out their way to get Iceheart if there was even a way. Even if that soul may be eternal or not...It's really not the same as her actually being there. :x

[Causality]

Its ok they killed off the ones I liked the most Haruchefant, Estinien, Ice Heart, and I actually did Like Lahabrea. Granted Ysale as well as the Archbishop and his knights went the way of Louisoix, even if they could and probably can Summon at least Shiva back, would they? The scions aren't in the habit of summoning Primals, granted they were pretty desperate when they tried to Summon the Twelve, to which Louisoix ended the summoning before they manifested as a primal.

[Aphel]

Don't think he can be saved, at least with the way things are going. Remember the trailer for Heavensward? It was a huge dragon invasion of Ishgarde.

It's going to get mighty interesting!

[Samcaesar]

I think it's because most people thought Estinien was a jerk, even though he was well within reason while Iceheart basically relied on a false image to for peace.

I haven't gotten through the story completely yet, but considering how Estinien just constantly wants to talk about killing dragons with no regards to working towards peace, something that actually happened, I don't see how Iceheart relied on a false image for peace. I'm so sad that they killed Iceheart and Hauchefant, they're really nice characters.