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    JonnyBigBoss's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tharian View Post
    You know there is always another option right? Play the role the Duty Finder wants you too... for Scholars, Astrologians, and White Mages that means actually healing instead of off-DPS'ing. You don't actually need Accuracy to heal you know. And when it comes right down to it, it really should be the DPS classes that are DPS'ing.
    If you aren't doing DPS, then you aren't playing your role to its full potential.
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    Player Nadirah's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by JonnyBigBoss View Post
    If you aren't doing DPS, then you aren't playing your role to its full potential.
    So tired of this BS line.

    Not everyone likes to DPS while healing. Get over it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nadirah View Post
    So tired of this BS line.

    Not everyone likes to DPS while healing. Get over it.
    He told the reality anyway. You can not like doing DPS .. but if you dont do that you didnt mastered your job. Just healing is good. Healing + DPS is best
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naruke View Post
    He told the reality anyway. You can not like doing DPS .. but if you dont do that you didnt mastered your job. Just healing is good. Healing + DPS is best
    yeah? hopw do you know whats good in the new endgame content that isnt released yet.
    That healers dont get accuracy anymore is maybe a hint on what the game is now designed for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nague View Post
    yeah? hopw do you know whats good in the new endgame content that isnt released yet.
    That healers dont get accuracy anymore is maybe a hint on what the game is now designed for.
    I dont but if Final Coil was a DPS Check TOTALLY you think Alexander Savage will not? I guess it will be a DPS check harder then Final Coil IMHO. With iLv 110 (even 130 without Echo) kill Bahamut without seeing enrage was a dream and if a SCH wont do DPS maybe time never was enough. In many kill videos I saw enrage in T13 with SCH doing like 200-300 DPS. There must be a reason right?
    I think Alexander Savage will be worse than it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naruke View Post
    I dont but if Final Coil was a DPS Check TOTALLY you think Alexander Savage will not? I guess it will be a DPS check harder then Final Coil IMHO. With iLv 110 (even 130 without Echo) kill Bahamut without seeing enrage was a dream and if a SCH wont do DPS maybe time never was enough. In many kill videos I saw enrage in T13 with SCH doing like 200-300 DPS. There must be a reason right?
    I think Alexander Savage will be worse than it

    maybe they need so much heals that the 2 healers cant dps much at all.
    Well, i can still dream xD



    one thing is certin though, if healers again end uop needing to dps, then the no accuracy on normal items will eat our wallets because everyone will expect the healers to craft accuracy into gear
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    Zora Link
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nague View Post
    yeah? hopw do you know whats good in the new endgame content that isnt released yet.
    That healers dont get accuracy anymore is maybe a hint on what the game is now designed for.
    Designed for and reality are two very different things. Developers frequently are surprised by how players handle mechanics in games, particularly MMOs.


    As to your comment about the new endgame, the simple fact of the matter is that if you have the opportunity to add in some damage as a healer and you do not take it, you are doing objectively worse than someone who sits there and does nothing, or simply spams cure on the tank some more. While I hope that the healing checks will become more skill based rather than knowledge based as it was in FCoB as that would mean more focus on healing... as a healer, we'll have to wait and see to be certain.

    Adding in damage as a healer is a boon to the group. You might as well argue that a DPS does not need to use all of their cooldowns, or a tank does not need to pop their best CD for tank busters; you can generally get by without them. But you are indeed objectively worse than someone who does do everything they can. DPS as a healer is another tool in your kit. Use your entire kit. Do not be surprised if people are unhappy that you are not bringing 100% to the table if you actively refuse to DPS.

    And I say this all as someone who truly hates playing DPS classes most of the time. That said, I want to bring as much to the table as a healer as I can. Throwing out DPS adds to it.

    And @main thread: The only issue I really have with no accuracy is the fact that certain abilities that are very important to healing, regardless of DPS, are contingent on hitting the mob (Energy drain). It's something they don't seem to consider, and it rather irks me.
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    Last edited by Zoralink; 06-28-2015 at 12:31 PM.

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    Sacrilege Moonshadow
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nadirah View Post
    So tired of this BS line.

    Not everyone likes to DPS while healing. Get over it.
    That's the same as stating "Not everyone enjoys or elects to perform all aspects of their Role or Job."

    If this describes you, that's fine; no one on the forums is going to come knocking on your door to demand that you join the Militant Healers' Union; just don't get upset when people speak a simple truth.
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    Sidra Swiftwind
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nadirah View Post
    So tired of this BS line.

    Not everyone likes to DPS while healing. Get over it.
    It's not a BS line - it's reality. Why not use all tools at your disposal to get the group alive through the dungeon or raid as quickly as possible? If one SCH keeps everyone alive, and the other keeps everyone alive while adding 300 dps, who played SCH better? In raids, however, SCH dps is often more a function of how good the other healer is than how good the SCH is - but in dungeons it makes a huge difference in clear time and it's mainly all on your skill and desire to be as effective as possible.

    And gear swapping for daily hard mod is annoying as hell.
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    Last edited by Sidra; 06-28-2015 at 09:39 AM.

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    Areku Foxfire
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    AST doesn't even need accuracy, both of their dots ignore it. Malefic will miss a lot, but you probably won't have much chance to spam malefic in a fight anyway.

    SCH can still do Bio and Bio II regardless as well. Their energy drain will suffer though, and as a result, their MP regen.

    Guess accuracy food will have to be the way to go for scholar.

    Also, man, so tired of people trying to justify themselves being lazy in fights by not doing damage. If SE didn't want healers to do damage, they wouldn't have given ALL 3 HEALERS damage spells from their job quests.
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    Last edited by FoxyAreku; 06-30-2015 at 03:25 AM.

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