Not finding DRK squishy at all.

[Tiqa]

EXCEPT when the Warrior is under Inner Beast, which should be for every tank buster, or any time they know they can IB and then get 5 stacks back before the tank buster. That is really what it comes down to, IB's reactiveness made up for that 20% of mitigation they do not constantly have (Defiance aside), only when it matters of course. Which is what I'm saying.

We don't have that, nor do we have the advantage in Parry which is what we're suppose to be relying on.

Pld = Shield, safety net tanking kit.
War = IB, reactive tanking. Great kit as OT that is beneficial to the group. Great kit for MT'ing magic fights. All around average I'd say in MT situations.
Drk = ??? They likely definitely would shine in magic tank buster fights, but not as much as a Warrior can to me. As I said, in fights like Ramuh where you cant parry, may as well throw Reprisal out the window. Hell even Low Blow resets. Int reduction is nice if you do not have a Monk, but if you do, then it's useless because they'll be keeping theirs up for the blunt resistance anyway. So throw that out of the window, as well as due to the fact that a Monk can give that benefit to a Warrior as well. I suppose depending on how far apart the magical busters come in, it'd rely on you rotating Shadowskin and Dark Mind, preferably buffed by Dark Arts seeing as 15% is rather low for a mitigation cooldown. Though that would require each tank buster to be somewhere around 45+ seconds apart, else you'll be left with Shadowskin still on cooldown and no way to mitigate the next one unless you shadow wall. But then you wont have that up again for 3 minutes.

And don't get me started on physical tank busters, because good luck with that.

Don't get me wrong, I'm talking about a bug, not about not using some CD or stance or comparing rotations or gameplays between tanks.
I'm talking about going dancing in front of titan, not using any stances nor CD nor IB nor... anything, just taking damage and seeing that DRK is taking about 20% more dmg than any other two tank, even if they have same degense's stat.

It's just a bug that need to be fixed.

When you said that "Drk's simply have a 20% mitigation stance, same as Paladins"', I just added that it's not true atm, the stances only sort of nullify the passive-hidden 20% debuff DRK have, and made them as sturdy as any pld using sword oath or than any war (but without 25% bonus to hp/heal, yeay!) , wich is absurd.

We ll be able to compare tanks when they fix this, until then it's almost as usefull than comparing tank tanking capacity to some lolgoon (well, I'm exagerating a bit )

Don't get me wrong again, I like DRK, I can tank any trial or dunjon I want, but it's just more harder than it should be, because of the 20% more we take in any circumstance.

[Hundred]

When you said that "Drk's simply have a 20% mitigation stance, same as Paladins"', I just added that it's not true atm, the stances only sort of nullify the passive-hidden 20% debuff DRK have, and made them as sturdy as any pld using sword oath or than any war (but without 25% bonus to hp/heal, yeay!) , wich is absurd.

Where are you getting this hidden 20% debuff.

[Syfer22]

Where are you getting this hidden 20% debuff.

He was running some tests in Titan HM. See above posts; he laid it out pretty clear.

[SuzakuCMX]

He was running some tests in Titan HM. See above posts; he laid it out pretty clear.

Can we see a parse screenshot of the combat log?

[Tiqa]

Can we see a parse screenshot of the combat log?

I already made a bug report here : http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post3074007
Sorry it's french section, see at the bottom of the 1st post if you want to see screenshots of combat tab (It could be hard to see, because I think that SE can read the logs directly I just posted two raw screenshot)


Go test by yourself, it's very easy

1/ form a duo with some pld/war friend of yours
2/ arrange equipment so you've about same amount of defense stat
3/ go in some trial of your choice (I used Titan HM), using the option that allows to go undernumbered in it
4/ put no stance, do not unsheat your weapon, just go in front of titan and eat all of his attack

Just look your combat tab, you'll see how much harder DRK is hit, around 20% more than war or pld using same king of gear, same def.

Don't even need a parser

Going to need some data to show that that's the case.

Yep, that's why I hope SE will take this seriously and made some intern testing, then provide a bug fix to that class I love playing =)

[Tila]

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Did you take into account shields? Passives? Debuffs? There are a lot of variables here.

[Tiqa]

Did you take into account shields? Passives? Debuffs? There are a lot of variables here.

We took off the shield, we had no stance, we used no CD, no more variable than defense raw stat and some levels (and that special method of calculating dmg for new 51+ levels has been prove to be false, since there's no significant difference between "old fashioned level 50" pld damage taking, and "new with all new ways of calculating 51" pld ones.)

Tanking stances does work, tho, but initial damages are still around 20% higher for DRK.