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    SayuriHime's Avatar
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    Tayana Estella
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    Weaver Lv 70
    According to the ACT website, they recently fixed the parser to properly reflect Machinist damage which is putting them on par with Bards. This job has a high skill cap which maybe leading to the plague of low damaging Machinists.

    Source: http://www.eq2flames.com/plugin-disc...plugin-75.html
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    Rashi Shadowblade
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    Shiva
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    Machinist Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by SayuriHime View Post
    This job has a high skill cap
    This is what it amounts to. People haven't learned to effectively utilize the class yet. On average as a MCH, I'm doing as much in runs as other classes, (killing adds just as quickly, keeping equal amount of HATE on bosses, ect), even if the "raw numbers" of each hit aren't in my favor. Earlier when I was testing out a new skill, (Gauss Round), as well as some other damage within my rotation, I came across a Bard who was also damage testing on some striking dummies. They were two levels below me, but had better gear, (full Augmented Ironworks and Dreadwyrm compared to my i125 stuff I bought from shops and hadn't yet upgraded to the lvl 54 gear), and at first I thought they were putting out more damage than me. Then I realized they had WM on, while my Gauss Barrel was off. Once I threw my barrel back on, I was easily matching or passing them in terms of raw numbers on each hit, even before getting into my combos and using reload. My point is, that with the equivalent skills used, the raw numbers of the basic attacks is very similar. The MCH with low numbers in actual runs are likely people who haven't figured out their rotations properly, or who don't know when to switch from single targets to AoEs, or when to turn Gauss Barrel on or off.....

    I vary which actions I use based on the situation, and as I said both here and earlier in this thread, I have no trouble keeping up with other players DPSing, even non-bards. In fact, the only person I've seen who really gave me a run for my money was actually a Bard, and was easily one of the best bards I've seen. Saying "this class sucks because the raw numbers aren't as good" is rather pointless, as in the end, all the raw numbers in the world won't save you if you're bad at your job, and all the hindrances in the world won't stop you if you're good at it. It's just people blaming the numbers when they actually have to work to do good damage, and actually have to try something other than a "use this exact combo in all situations" in order to keep up.....
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    Little Sprinkles
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    Warrior Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by SayuriHime View Post
    According to the ACT website, they recently fixed the parser to properly reflect Machinist damage which is putting them on par with Bards. This job has a high skill cap which maybe leading to the plague of low damaging Machinists.

    Source: http://www.eq2flames.com/plugin-disc...plugin-75.html
    I found a reddit post that was made 9hrs ago. The damage is on par with BRD, but they're both parsing below tanks atm from what people are recording. Very well, the skill cap could be holding players back on both jobs. I still think both MCHs and BRDs need some sort of buff. We'll see how this progresses within the coming weeks.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...t_dps_testing/

    Thanks for the responses on MCH and BRDs in parties. I'd love to hear more feedback from players who play with MCHs and BRDs in expansion. If you've played with one, positive or negative, please post on your experience. MCHs and BRDs can post for days, but inevitably it's the 3 or 7 other people playing with you that's going to decide if they want you in the party or not.

    What about you, would you invite MCH or BRD? If so, why? If not, why not? What have you experienced from these jobs that make you feel that way?

    Also, posters have been commenting, "I've wanted to level this class but now I don't b/c..." I've mostly seen that the class is boring or not viable for endgame for reasons to not play. If your'e interested in MCH why do you want to level MCH? Why don't you?
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    Last edited by LittleArrow; 06-27-2015 at 06:57 AM.

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    Zyrusticae's Avatar
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    T'rahnu Ihka
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    Balmung
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleArrow View Post
    The damage is on par with BRD, but they're both parsing below tanks atm from what people are recording.
    This part is extremely important. "Hitting as hard as bards" is NOT a good thing in their current state. Both jobs should be hitting as hard as BLM when using WM/GB at a minimum, if not slightly harder (because seriously, have you TRIED to play Bard with WM up? It's a bloody nightmare!).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zyrusticae View Post
    This part is extremely important. "Hitting as hard as bards" is NOT a good thing in their current state. Both jobs should be hitting as hard as BLM when using WM/GB at a minimum, if not slightly harder (because seriously, have you TRIED to play Bard with WM up? It's a bloody nightmare!).
    Yeah, I completely agree. The whole point of WM / GB is to do MORE damage. It's the EXACT OPPOSITE right now, we're doing less damage. Like, what? Lol
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    Evy Malaguld
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleArrow View Post
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    I don't see why I wouldn't invite a class/job. So what if they're not the top end in numbers? If the player's good/willing to learn and we have fun together, that's what matters.

    I'll also probably give it a try simply because I'd like to have another DPS (I figure at least 2 of each role would be a good thing to aim for right now). I admit that archer/BRD just wasn't my cup of tea so I don't know what I expect from MCH. But given that I main BLM right now the concept of casting times doesn't bug me much at all. And I played classes with turret systems before in other games (I'm thinking Dragon Nest mostly) so it feels a little familiar already in theory. We shall see.
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    Shneibel Panipahr
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    Quote Originally Posted by SayuriHime View Post
    This job has a high skill cap
    it does !? you mean after opening rotation, spam 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1, what kind of skill is that !?
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    Last edited by Shneibel; 06-27-2015 at 08:06 PM.

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    Tayana Estella
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shneibel View Post
    it does !? you mean after opening rotation, spam 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1, what kind of skill is that !?
    If that is how you are playing Machinist, I completely understand you might be frustrated with low numbers.
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    Player IfritReborn's Avatar
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    Kevvy Alexandros
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    Quote Originally Posted by SayuriHime View Post
    If that is how you are playing Machinist, I completely understand you might be frustrated with low numbers.
    Depending on RNG and if R/QL are on CD that (1,1,1,1,1,1) can very well happen. Do you even play this job? I'm very confused as to why people who don't play MCH are coming in here and telling the people who do play MCH that they're wrong.
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    Last edited by IfritReborn; 06-28-2015 at 02:23 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IfritReborn View Post
    Depending on RNG and if R/QL are on CD that (1,1,1,1,1,1) can very well happen. Do you even play this job? I'm very confused as to why people who don't play MCH are coming in here and telling the people who do play MCH that they're wrong.
    I have been playing Machinist since early release launch. 1111111 is very rare if you are managing everything properly. You have to manage cooldown-weaving and not just throwing a cooldown when it procs. You also need to manage you ammo instead of again, just throwing it when it comes off. Its not a PUSH ALLLLLL THE BUTTONS class.
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