MCH completely useless

[Viridiana]

Losing 185 damage (at 57 with a HQ54 gun because there is all of one 56 NQ gun on the MBs right now) per 2~ seconds is made up in spades by the boost to damage literally everything else gets, including Wildfire.

Not having played MCH at all, I can only comment on math. You're doing 185 on average with a 2.8 weapon? If we say the average GCD is somewhere around 2.45 to account for SS, then you need to be doing (2.45/2.8)*185 extra damage per GCD under Gauss Barrel in order for it to make sense using it. That's 161.875 *extra* damage that Gauss Barrel would need to give you every GCD for it to be worth the loss in AA damage, right? Extra damage from Gauss Barrel is 20%, 161.875 is 20% of 809.375. So, in a perfect world with no movement, you would need to be doing 809 damage per GCD, not including AA, before GB becomes worth it, based on your 185 average damage with a 2.8 weapon. And of course, Raging Strikes and Hawk's Eye can't help you reach this number, because they would also boost the 185 number.

[Sylve]

Under the effect of rapid fire, gauss barrel is instant, there is no 3 second cast

This i did not know. Given how it states Weaponskills, i had assumed Gauss Barrel would not be included, so thanks for that.

[Butcherboy]

A lot of the ability we have gotten not just from MCH but also other dps will get patch. All we can do right now is spam every single corner of the site about how the dev team fck up and we need our stuff fix. I say drowned drown the lodestone with complaints and what needs to be done.

[Asierid]

This i did not know. Given how it states Weaponskills, i had assumed Gauss Barrel would not be included, so thanks for that.

It works on everything, even mounting is instant. Tool tips lie until they are tested and proven. Look at WAR's Raw Intuition for an example...

That aside, yes, even healers out DPS MCH easily. Basing a job around 80% RNG procs (Which are not even that powerful when compared to BRD and the free BL resets) really isn't good gameplay and it never was. Reload/Ammo (And obviously Gauss) needs to be buffed if they are going to keep this route in order to make MCH feasible in a raid environment where people will be dodging mechanics/not dying and losing procs until they get used to the encounters.

[popotaro]

I might be crazy since I'm enjoying MCH, depsite the fact that it isn't well designed...

[Aerya]

I might be crazy since I'm enjoying MCH, depsite the fact that it isn't well designed...

I'm enjoying it too this far, but it's weak as hell and it surely will be really painful to play in high level like Alexander...

[Keylus]

This i did not know. Given how it states Weaponskills, i had assumed Gauss Barrel would not be included, so thanks for that.

It's said that it's maybe a bug, you can instant cast anything (besides LB), that includes teleport/recall and summon your chocobo companion

[Sylve]

It works on everything, even mounting is instant. Tool tips lie until they are tested and proven. Look at WAR's Raw Intuition for an example...

That aside, yes, even healers out DPS MCH easily. Basing a job around 80% RNG procs (Which are not even that powerful when compared to BRD and the free BL resets) really isn't good gameplay and it never was. Reload/Ammo (And obviously Gauss) needs to be buffed if they are going to keep this route in order to make MCH feasible in a raid environment where people will be dodging mechanics/not dying and losing procs until they get used to the encounters.

Then as i was speculating to my FC since i saw the potencies, SE intentionally put our potencies at the lowest level so they could later buff the numbers if it proved too weak.
The mechanics of the class is incredibly fun to me, And although i sincerely doubt I'm being outdps'd by Healers when playing properly, if the numbers need to go up then they need to go up.
Not because the class is fundamentally broken, but rather because SE did not want to create a situation where everyone flocks to Machinist because it was blatantly overpowered.
I have a feeling the Astrologian may be in a similar boat.

Remember, Its far easier to buff than it is to nerf. Could you imagine if MCH was released in an OP state then nerfed, what the Forums would have been like? The rage would be intense. It'd be worse than the current crop of "OMG MCH is worthless!" threads ... Be a tad more amusing though.

[Azostar]

We don't need new skills or a complete overhaul, just tweak the numbers (Lower a few cooldowns, give more potency/strength to certain skills).

I was under the impression that Gauss Barrel was intended to be situational, to be used neither permanently or never at all. Under this pretense, giving skills more potency or lower cooldowns could tip Gauss Barrel into being too strong and always having it on as a neccesity (it is a multiplier after all, not a static increase).

It would make sense from a balance point of view that we have quite low potency skills, simillar to bard. Right now, stat weights aren't known, MCH and BRD weapons have far lower weapon damage than other classes, and with the change to DET it means later game Auto Attacks will be far less weighted in your DPS.

In terms of how the class plays and is intended to feel, it's absolutely fine. The problems are that their debuffs aren't too great (on the surface), and the DPS they dish out doesn't seem be on par (on dummies). Maybe we will see a buff in the future, maybe we haven't gotten far enough into the expansion to realise how much they can actually bring.

Right now though there is a more concerning issue.

The damn hip pack model doesn't change with gear and always stays the same.

[Ephier]

Snip.

Correct. When NIN was released the request for a nerf bat was unreal. Everyone complained about how broken they were, and yes they were at their time of release. Top DPS in the game, 0 resource issues and they got nerfed. While the nerf they received was barely a slap on the wrist a few NIN were unsettled by it. I believe releasing something underpowered and buffing it later is a much better course of action. Remove animosity instead of creating it.