MCH completely useless

[SaiahLynn]

WHM will out DPS a MCH spamming Stone 3.

Im not kidding.

And no.. I don't think 5% debuff is noticeable in the slightest.. for 10 seconds. Other classes have sustainable debuffs they can keep up on raid bosses that are SUBSTANTIALLY better than a 5% physical OR magical for 10 seconds on a 90s cooldown.

and you're calling us debuffers? Thats pathetic.

[SovereignAegis]

WHM will out DPS a MCH spamming Stone 3.

Im not kidding.

And no.. I don't think 5% debuff is noticeable in the slightest.. for 10 seconds. Other classes have sustainable debuffs they can keep up on raid bosses that are SUBSTANTIALLY better than a 5% physical OR magical for 10 seconds on a 90s cooldown.

and you're calling us debuffers? Thats pathetic.

I agree extremely strongly with this statement.

Most classes have extremely constant buffs (or near constant, opposed to truly "constant"), it is absolutely appauling that a class supposedly dedicated to crowd control and debuffing with TWO PREMIUM HIGH LEVEL SKILLS... has such weak and non-lasting effects.

Like for the duration and cooldown and specificity I'd have imagined it be 20%, but being absolutely reasonable I'd say 15%.

And they share cooldown timers is the bigger kick to the face.

[Underdog2204]

Topic like these make me sad.

Was really looking forward to playing machinist, it seems having to level to 50 to unlock it and then level again from 30 for a sub par job seems really depressing...

I can see what people are talking about just by looking at skills from other jobs/classes, SMN has Virus, Eye for an Eye and a battle raise which by themselves seem to far outclass any debuff the MCH can offer.

I can see what people mean by scoffing at the notion MCH is a debuffer/utility class comparing it to the utility other jobs get whilst also having seemingly much better damage dealing capability.

MCH also seems to be (arguably) the most dangerous job to be playing atm too as they have zero self sustain. Never really agreed with the fact melee classes have it more dangerous than ranged anyway, there are mechanics specifically desigined to target both playstyles.

Trying to find any reason to actually play this job makes my brain hurt... Outside of their gear looking pretty cool...

[Slirith]

If I could go back into time and not play MCH, I woul but sticking with it to 60 for armory bonus for 2nd 60 /sigh

[SovereignAegis]

If I could go back into time and not play MCH, I woul but sticking with it to 60 for armory bonus for 2nd 60 /sigh

What is this armory bonus?

Edit: Nevermind, didn't realize it was THAT!

[Aerya]

Do we really have to wait for 3.1, in a few months, for the machinist to be playable? This job will be dead long before that with Alexander coming soon.

I wanted to play one of the new classes after getting lvl 60 with my PLD. Too much DRK and AST so I choose MCH wich seemed cool and original, but I already feel totally useless after a few dungeons (even if I'm still new to the job)...

Why would people play MCH? It's similar to a bard, more difficult than other classes, weaker than anything else, and useless in a party (no really useful skill). I really would like to take it to lvl 50 or 60 and even use it for Alexander, but it seems useless to do so and waste time for nothing... Maybe the "no MCH" in PF is the way to go to make SE react faster?

[Ephier]

Do we really have to wait for 3.1, in a few months, for the machinist to be playable? This job will be dead long before that with Alexander coming soon.

I wanted to play one of the new classes after getting lvl 60 with my PLD. Too much DRK and AST so I choose MCH wich seemed cool and original, but I already feel totally useless after a few dungeons (even if I'm still new to the job)...

Why would people play MCH? It's similar to a bard, more difficult than other classes, weaker than anything else, and useless in a party (no really useful skill). I really would like to take it to lvl 50 or 60 and even use it for Alexander, but it seems useless to do so and waste time for nothing... Maybe the "no MCH" in PF is the way to go to make SE react faster?

They fixed dragoon ins 2.45, so it is possible that we could get it before 3.1.

[SpiritMuse]

I'm kind of disappointed in machinist as well. I have it to 50 now and I do enjoy the style of it, but the damage is just very disappointing. As is the utility - it's supposed to be a debuffer job but the debuffs only last 10 seconds and have such long cooldowns that they're really only usable once per fight?

[Typhoria]

If WM/GB didn't disable autos it would be fine. The cast timer is more than enough to limit mobility for the damage tradeoff. Not like either class is close to mnk/drg/blm damage wise for this to be an overpowered buff. Remove the cast timer but add a cool down on the stance so that we can trade mobility for damage at a whim, but still dealing with consequences if we change stance at a wrong time.

[Butcherboy]

A lot of the ability we have gotten not just from MCH but also other dps will get patch. All we can do right now is spam every single corner of the site about how the dev team fck up and we need our stuff fix. I say drowned drown the lodestone with complaints and what needs to be done.