So, why isn't this a thing yet?

[AlphaFox]

The main point about Bravely Default is it was SquareEnix who chose this, censored or not. We know they have no issue in doing it.

[Mimilu]

Not much better, but there's is censorship in certain regions:

Not to mention both are teens in Japan and young adults in the NA/PAL version.

[Chambers]

quote.

If you leave your bicycle out in a shoddy neighborhood and you know it's a shoddy neighborhood, and it gets stolen. Is it the bikes fault? the person who stole it's fault? or is it the developers fault for giving them the tools to enable them to do so.

[Celi]

I want to play a race like this, but would honestly prefer if they kept them classy instead of giving them sex appeal. I don't think the majority of people who want to play them want them to be "sexy" either. They just want to play something cute.

If they gave this race the same designs that lala'fell have for gear like swimsuits and stuff then I don't see why lala'fell would be considered okay and these wouldn't?

[Zyrusticae]

Not to mention both are teens in Japan and young adults in the NA/PAL version.

We've been over this already. This is irrelevant because the same can be said of Lalafell and a hypothetical Lalaqo'te race. The only thing that matters is what they look like.

I, personally, would like people to take such characters as adults (which they (as in Lalafell/Lalaqo'te, not the BD cast) are designed as in-universe), but apparently a number of people have hang-ups with the separation between RL and fantasy. Hmmm, I wonder who's at fault there...

Edit: Let me be clear: crappy writing can make it extremely obvious when someone is just straight-up pedo-pandering, and I am entirely in agreement that that sort of thing is rather gross. On the other hand, if the characters look a lot like children, but are obviously written as and treated as adults like Lalafell are in-game, there shouldn't be any issues. If anything, that just makes things more interesting, as it's a hugely far cry from anything you'd ever see in reality...

If you leave your bicycle out in a shoddy neighborhood and you know it's a shoddy neighborhood, and it gets stolen. Is it the bikes fault? the person who stole it's fault? or is it the developers fault for giving them the tools to enable them to do so.

If someone can't tell the difference between fantasy and reality and is convinced by a violent video game that shooting people is fun and goes out to do the deed, is it the fault of the gun maker, the vendor that sold the gun, the person who owned the gun who that person stole from, the video game maker, the person who did the shooting, the parents for failing to raise the person correctly, or genetic mutation itself for allowing the genetic potential for someone to be born so damaged?

The answer: Who gives a crap? This is irrelevant. Stick with the topic, please.

Edit #2: To explain why your analogy sucks, you're talking about someone doing obviously criminal deeds vs. a handful of morons making people slightly uncomfortable through either words or dress. The analogy fails on its premise.

[Spy]

what game is that pic from?

You're playing it.

[Samcaesar]

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Acting like people being incredibly cautious about allowing pedophiles to feel safer and more accepted into the game is a bad thing, "lol".


Why do we need it? Hell, they're other niches I'd say that need to have more of a focus, such as a race with big tough women and small cute men, especially with the inclusion of the Au Ra. Turns out, we've got different ideas. The issue is the "Loliqo'te" has some really creepy things attached to it, while making a race with reverse sexual dimorphism isn't! I might be fine with it if the children were locked in the tin can armor sets forever.

Cool, last thing we need to do is allow people to do that sort of stuff even easier. Just because people will sexualize it, doesn't mean we should both allow it to continue and make it easier to happen. I mean shoot, people are gonna do plenty of awful things, laws and social pressures exist to prevent those sorts of things because they are objectively bad.

It doesn't but it sure as heck makes it a lot more possible. The point is, creating a race that is literally meant to look even more like a child is going to continue to encourage pedophiles and other creeps to waltz into the game feeling welcomed. The point is, creeps will see this game as a more welcoming place for them if they see the devs creating a race that fits their gross tastes. The worst part, is FFXIV might end up in a TERA situation, where devs begin to cater to those creeps, get away with it by saying "Lol don't worry! We don't condone it, we just can't stop it from happening!", and the end result? The community becomes an awful place for normal people who don't want to be associated with creeps. Hint hint, normal people don't want to see children running around in sexualized outfits, especially whenever it's an adult behind the character. I'm sorry, but if you'd prefer the game be a safe place for pedos to express their crap over a safe place for people to not have to worry about that sick stuff, you're morally wrong.

The issue is arachnophobia is an irrational fear, one that can be overcome because it turns out an irrational fear of spiders is not only silly, but not good! Not liking pedophiles and not wanting them to have an easier time with their fantasies is incredibly normal considering what they do is massively psychologically damaging to children.

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You don't have an option to dress around in a bikini and (E)RP all darn day in any of those games, or form communities within the game based around "Lol look how sexy my Lalaqo'te looks in this glamour, good thing she's a totally legal adult wink wink nudge nudge". Considering how in FFXIV, there's nothing stopping players from getting away with ERP. FFXIV allows you to have your character run around in fishnet stockings and a bikini top, Pokemon does not. What you are suggesting are False equivalencies.

Perhaps I needed to phrase it better, but the difference is FFXIV allows you to make your character look physically attractive, which is fine appropriate adult sexuality is fine, hence the gear sets like the bunny suit. People (Read pedos) will complain, probably saying "M-my Loliqo'te is a full grown adult! She should be allowed to flaunt her sexuality, not her fault that she looks like a 10 year old, when she's actually an adult!!". Assuming SE gives in, just as they would assuming this would become an option, then SE is allowing pedos to feel comfortable in their game, sooner or later we run into a TERA situation.

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I've expressed several times, Lalafell are cutting it close to that creepy edge. The difference? The picture the OP linked is literally a Miqo'te child, Miqo'te look and develop similarly to humans. Lalafells aren't close to humans, and as several people have pointed out in the thread "I want to play as a child, not as a potatoe lol". That is a child, with child like proprotions, making it even more closer to a child. Maybe. Maybe. Make it an option, but severely restrict the clothes.

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The OP isn't asking for "Characters that look like children but look like adults" (Despite that it is something people use to get away with creepy pedo stuff), the OP is asking for Miqo'te children. It's now shifted to just saying the Miqo'te child is a Lalafell/Miqo'te hybrid, whenever I'm fairly sure that's nothing like that would look.

Jesus christ you guys, these are kids here, virtual or not, why are you all fine with giving people the option to sexualize them? Seriously, guys, the OP calls "unaging, forever young" Padjal Raya-O-Senna hot, if that's not at least a sign you guys are at least supporting the wrong person for this idea, then I don't know what is.

[Zyrusticae]

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The base issue with your entire argument is the assumption that the race would be sexualized on anywhere near the level of Elin. The Elin are so blatantly and hilariously sexualized that it's pretty much impossible for SE to get anywhere near that with the current glamour options in-game.

Pretty much the entirety of the Elin wardrobe consists of clothing designed specifically to maximize panty shots, in addition to them having those enormous hips and thighs (seriously, what's up with that?). Not only that, TERA is chock-full of tons and tons and tons of sexualized clothing and armor designs for the females of all the races, which itself invites a certain level of "creep-factor" in the player base. FFXIV does not have this issue. The absolute worst outfits are the Dzemael Darkhold outfits (the galerus set and the taffeta set, as mentioned), and those are actually surprisingly tame compared to some Elin outfits (some of which even have butt-riding thongs *shudder*). The grand majority of armor and clothing is practical or at least wearable compared to the crap you get in TERA.

Also, yes, I am not really talking about or encouraging the OP's use of "loliqo'te" or their desire specifically for younger versions of existing races. All I care about is a certain aesthetic, and I don't care how they get there.



Now, let's get back to one thing you're doing that is moronic: pedophilia is impossible to encourage. People are either born with the condition or not, and literally everyone with a functioning conscience knows it's bad. I mean, it's only beaten into your head about a million times from the time you're born. Adding a cute race doesn't somehow magically encourage people to become pedophiles or for pedophiles to become child molesters or for pedophiles to start evangelizing the wonders of the childlike figure to the world. Either you're born with the condition or not. Either you're born with the psychopathy gene or not. Either you're born with strong impulse-control or not. For the most part, anyone who does these idiotic things is not going to be influenced by media whatsoever, and there is zero evidence that media can make those traits worse (if anything, with Japan having such insanely low crime rates, it's just the opposite).

I get that child-molestation is a terrible crime and has terrible consequences for the child, and obviously you don't want to encourage that. Letting people play as children, or child-like cute races for that matter, hardly does anything resembling that. Again, the nature of that affliction is one such that you can't really "encourage" people who have it simply because it has such an insanely strong social stigma attached to it such that no one will ever want to be called one, let alone engage in behavior that 'outs' them publicly. The only ones you have to worry about are the ones with a combination of a. strong libido, b. no-to-few healthy outlets for said libido, c. ready access to children (relatives being a big one here), and d. weak impulse control, with e. low empathy being an exacerbating factor. Odds are very high you will NEVER meet someone with all these factors at once on the Internet playing an MMORPG like Final Fantasy XIV, mostly because they have access to the internet and thus factor b is a non-issue (and yes, I'm serious here - check crime rates from the time the Internet became a thing if you don't believe me).

So for the most part, all you really have to worry about are creeps. Not pedophiles being somehow 'encouraged' by the inclusion of a cute race that has appeal well beyond pedophiles themselves, just weirdos who love to get a rise out of you (and likely already play Lalafell anyway specifically for that reason).

Meanwhile, the rest of us just want to play something cute that isn't a potato. Done and done.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

Seriously, guys, the OP calls "unaging, forever young" Padjal Raya-O-Senna hot, if that's not at least a sign you guys are at least supporting the wrong person for this idea, then I don't know what is.

Miqo'tes are also "unaging and forever young", fyi.

Add a "Raya-O-Senna" race and see how many people switch to that from miqote or au ra. I bet LOTS would. Are they all pedos? Really?

Man, you need help.

[Jin-]

Ooh, so cute. Super cute! I wan't her now!

Picture saved so i won't forget it. And after some years i might see her again and i can happily smile that i saved the picture

@Samceasar

So you support stuff like males wearing girls dresses and similar "freaky" stuff. But you don't agree with some other people who like different stuff than you? Which is in this case that cutie OP posted.
Hypocritical i'd say. People like you call people with all kinda names on that dress thread if some dislike the idea, but here you are doing exactly same thing.
Personally i don't support either of the ideas (Pedo and Malegirls/girlmales). But if i had to choose which one to support, as long as it does not hurt either side and is from ones free will i would support the first choice.

Pardon me if i'm mistaken and told this to wrong person, but i'm pretty sure i remember the right name.

@Remilia

Love your signature