So, why isn't this a thing yet?

[Nestama]

Personally, I would prefer this game to steer away from the (potentially playable) obnoxiously cute races for a few years. That Miqo'te child just looks incredibly unnatural compared to the Hyur and Elezen children... hell, even to adult Miqo'te (do Miqo'te ears AND eyes start off massive before their skull 'grows into them'?). Way too anime for my liking.

Though if people still want a cute playable race, then why not the Vanu Vanu? Those are adorable.

[Chambers]

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Everything you just said is wrong.

[Dualblade]

She's in Idyllshire.

Wow this thread got even more argumentive since yesterday...that said thank you. That she was in the Forelands for some reason. So thats about half the playable races we have an idea of they're aging.

[Samcaesar]

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The issue is it would . You even admit yourself that you're gonna see someone prancing around in the taffeta as a "child" race. They won't get to TERA levels of bad, but you can be sure that people will try. Slap on the Immortal Flames' Loincloth (Huzzah for Raubahns weird tastes in micro-mini?) and the bikini top, and that's a pretty revealing outfit.

So what is SE to do of the short skirts already in game? Or the bikini bottoms, or the loincloth, or the fishnet stockings, or the thravanian (Spell check?) set, or the leather harness/subligars, or the awkward and unneeded belly window on the DRG AF, or the weird boob window in the NIN AF? Sure most gear is practical, but that doesn't stop those who want to wear sexualized outfits from just glamouring on the bikini tops to tank DPS, or heal in them, and there's no way to stop that outside of limiting glamour for "Children" PCs further, which I can assure you will result in either no one touching them or thread upon thread begging SE to allow them to have the loincloth and whatever.

Fine, child options wouldn't be that bad, the issue is finessing all of it around to pedophiles don't feel like they now have a safe place in FFXIV to express their sexuality as they do in TERA. I've gotta ask though, what's the issue with just playing as the girl Au Ra? Their max heights are 5'3 and their lowest is 4'8, that's plenty short enough for you to play as a girl at like age 15, heck their faces even suggest much younger looks. As much as I detest the younger nadeshiko look of the Au Ra, I've got to ask how is that too old looking for you, because I certainly can't see them as even close to 18, MAYBE 16, but I could see them as younger.

Sure, if completely health adults, pedophilia isn't something that will occur and chances are they'll see it as disgusting. But what can be "encouraged" is making Pedophiles feel like FFXIV is a safe place to express their sexuality, thus increasing the amount pedophiles. It's "encouraging" in the sense that allowing it means it'll make it easier for a pedophile to have fun with ERP or whatever. The brain is influenced by two factors, biology and sociology, I can tell you, in a society that has the age of consent at 13, sexualizing younger people becomes very easy, but the long term psychological affects of an adult engaging with a child at younger ages is generally universal. It's why age of consent is constantly up for debate and is different from places to places. By the way, it's been suggested that police within Japan purposely fudge numbers to keep up the whole "Japan is so properly functioning! Look low crime rates!" deal, specifically with stuff like writing off homicides as suicide cases.

Yeah, an insanely negative social stigma (That changes from country to country mind you) to something that people should have a very negative social stigma attached to. The issue is you're creating a safe environment for them to express themselves, I mean, what's SE gonna do when MrCreepypants invites that Lalaqo'te into his private chambers for some fun? Turns out they realize they're not alone with their sexuality and they begin to form small communities that grow larger and larger. It's how being alienated for some specific feature works, and sometimes it's not a bad thing! Shoot, look at safe spaces such as FCs for legitimate sexualities like being gay or bisexual, that's fine because there isn't anything inherently wrong with being gay or bisexual. But it can also work in reverse. SE knows it can't stop stuff like ERP on Balmung, so they generally live it alone unless if it's in public and someone reports it to a GM. So, what will SE do about those pedophile communities that will grow larger and larger, especially whenever the object of their sexuality is handed to them on a silver platter? I think you're applying way to many defining factors to make someone a "pedophile", point is they are sexually attracted to children, it doesn't matter why it happens, for all intents and purposes of the argument, it just happens. And uh, I'd like to see your sources on that, considering there's plenty of arguments to suggest access to stuff like non-con pornographic material helps increase the want to commit the act.

That's an issue though, you can't just write off pedophiles as some minority, especially within gamer/anime communities. Look at what Lolicons have done to the anime industry, they've warped it into a really disgusting thing where a lot of studios are making content advertised and made for them. Look at what they've done to TERA. Heck, look at what creeps did to "My Little Pony" for an example in the western world. It's a legitimate fear to be concerned of it happening with FFXIV, and until you can (Well SE primarily) can think of a solution to that sort of issue, I'm going to stay fairly firm in my position in not supporting it and hope others stay firm in not supporting it as well.

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Uh, I'd like to see your source on that claim, last time I checked we've got a child Miqo'te in your first post, and an obviously older option that is the current option for players, so they apparently age. We haven't seen any older girl Miqo'te yet, sure, but it's not like they don't exist (Heck, iirc the leader of the U tribe definitely looks physically older than other male Miqo'te, though he is a male), they age like any other race in Hydaelyn sans Padjal and they're blessed by the elements.

You said "Raya-O-Senna" is hotter than Minfilia. Raya is an entirely young girl, while not everyone who picks Padjal as an option would be a pedo, it sounds like those who pick it because "Padjal are hot" are exhibiting some pedophilic tendencies.. Because they're literally children for life. Finding children (Even if they happen to be children for a long time) attractive is pedophilia.

Excuse me for pointing out finding children attractive is wrong?

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Yes I do, men wearing dresses doesn't have anything wrong with it, just like a full grown man wearing stockings isn't wrong. They're an adult, wearing straps of cloth, there isn't anything objectively wrong with it. What your doing is a thing called "False equivalences" Crossdressing != Young children wearing clothes meant for sex appeal, especially whenever it's a child that literally lacks a will of it's own. Implementing PC children means you know there will be a group of people wearing clothes designed for sex appeal like the fishnet stockings or the bikinis as children (Or in this scenario, adults making young children avatars wearing sexy clothes), thus sexualizing children. You could say "Well just edit them to make them less sexual!!" but people will complain to SE to the point were it's allowed.

"Crossdressing" harms absolutely no one. Allowing the sexualization of children affirms pedophiles in their sexuality, which is very harmful. You're starting to sound like those kinds of people who say "If we start allowing gay marriage we'll get people marrying animals and children!!"

Personally, I would prefer this game to steer away from the (potentially playable) obnoxiously cute races for a few years. That Miqo'te child just looks incredibly unnatural compared to the Hyur and Elezen children... hell, even to adult Miqo'te (do Miqo'te ears AND eyes start off massive before their skull 'grows into them'?). Way too anime for my liking.

Though if people still want a cute playable race, then why not the Vanu Vanu? Those are adorable.

Oh man the Vanu Vanu are lovable fluffy bastard. I for one thing the Vath/Gnath are super cute, I love how cute they are with their obsession over food or how they all still use "We" and are still individuals. Or heck the Kobolds! They're cowardly and meek to an adorable fault. Or the Sylphs! They're mischievous and adorable floating cabbages! The only issue with them is the whole "floating" bit.

Still rooting and praying for a mature face option + better height range for the girl Au Ra still, Nestama. Prayin to the Twelve that it's added in 3.1

[Remilia_Nightfall]

By the way. Best girls are Cirno and Patchouli.

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I am a Remilia fan myself, but I managed to get a hold of "Reimu Hakurei" on Phoenix so I am using that :P

Uh, I'd like to see your source on that claim

I am looking for a source now. I am pretty sure it is stated somewhere in the lore that Miqo'te cannot physically age past a certain point (while they can still die of natural death, their bodies do not show signs of aging).

[Chambers]

while they can still die of natural death, their bodies do not show signs of aging).

If you've played the story, Minfilia's mother, F'lhaminn, is noticeably grey haired and aged.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

If you've played the story, Minfilia's mother, F'lhaminn, is noticeably grey haired and aged.

This looks "aged" to you?

Seems to me the exact same model as any other Miqo'te.

[Chambers]

This looks "aged" to you?

Seems to me the exact same model as any other Miqo'te.

It's the lighting, she's got wrinkles under her eyes.

[Samcaesar]

Cristo. I've already stated I personally feel Lalafell are getting pretty darn close to that creepy edge.

I don't really care about your opinions of me. By the way the "Social justice warrior" is a strawman used to devalue socially progressive views by giving them a silly title, don't use it unless if you're using it ironically.


The question you need to ask yourself is what does it mean to people in real life when stuff like this is added? Race looks like a little girl, acts like a little girl, but it some ~*~1000 year old~*~ little girl is still a little girl. Fantasy worlds and races aren't just something you make up in a vacuum, if it looks like a child and it's wearing a thong and a bikini that just barely keeps them covered, chances are that was designed by some pedophile looking to get his rocks off. Guess who's getting their rocks off to those "Looks like little girls BUT DONT WORRY THEY'RE ADULTS" races? Pedophiles. A rational adult with a healthy sexuality is going to look at them and go "Why the heck would you find that sexually attractive it looks like a little girl".

I don't get what's so hard to understand to understand about the concept of having a "safe place" for pedophiles to exhibit their sexualities is going to encourage more pedophiles to come to the game wanting that "Safe place" to also exhibit their sexualities.

Analogy time, because those tend to make things easier for people to understand and they're fun to read and write, this one's about alienation and community building! ... Let's say you really like cheesecake, so you go all around your town and you just can never find it, you've got pies and cakes offered, but you don't want those, you want cheesecake and none of those stores are giving them to you. So you're walking down the street and suddenly.. You find it! A cheesecake shop, and it makes the kind you specifically love, and the best part? There's already other people in the store, with equal love of cheesecake! So you go in, and socialize, turns out, you are just in love with this cheesecake shop because you feel welcomed by the fact that they actually suit your needs for once and there's even company! So, turns out, you decide more the merrier, you begin to invite your friends who also love cheesecake to the story and they invite their friends and the social environment grows larger and larger. This is how most sorts of community with an established identity start. The issue with this is by introducing an actual child (Looks like a child, acts like a child) race, you begin to cater to the pedophile's wants, and they start to invite their pedophile friends and word starts to spread that "Oh hey FFXIV lets you make a super kawaii lolis/shotas and the GMs don't even care about ERP most of the time".. Guess who that's gonna attract?


Anyways with regards to "Aged" characters, didn't we not get an actually aged Midlander woman til 2.4 with a Moogle quest and Hildebrand? Hell isn't Thancred hasn't changed in 2 decades apparently, guess that means Midlander men are eternally young too, eh? No seriously, either Thancred a 40 year old good with a make up (Which makes sense considering he's suppose a "lady's man" and hits on both Minfilia and her adoptive mother at one point and time). The reality is SE just hasn't made a properly "Aged" miqo'te model yet... Just like how Blizzard kept Anduin Wrynn at age 8 for like 10 years.

[Kaerline]

Sam, you're getting more and more ridiculous with each post.

If this was a realistic game I could MAYBE understand your point, but being a japanese mmo filled with giant scaly dudes, potato looking midgets and furry catgirls with either no proper ears or 2 different sets, kinda makes all you said pretty much null.
It's not an elin race that makes people fall into paedophilia, or that attracts said people. You know why? IT'S NOT REAL. Sure, some people might prefer younger looking girls, just as some might prefer older looking girls. It's called taste. And even if that wasn't the case, can you say in all honesty that you think that molesting a REAL child or trading a REAL child nude pictures and videos, is at the same level as wanting to play a PIXEL MADE young character who goes around casting balls of light or killing stuff with an oversized axe? Please.

Knowing people who battle daily to dismantle the underground paedophilia network, I can tell you this: take your holy war in places where these things really do happen, like social media, and stop acting like people wanting more cuteness in their gametime = pedophile.


EDIT: Also, you know what? If someone gets off by looking at a lalafell wearing fishnet stockings, so what? Unfortunately you can't change people's mind or sexual orientation or whatever, nobody can. I'd much rather prefer someone to get off looking at my character than having him go around molesting REAL children or tading REAL children pictures. Shame it doesn't really work that way, and shame there is hardly any way to "correct" that kind of people.