Estinien (spoilers)

[Gaiussenpai]

I meant more of her thinking she was Shiva reborn but had good intentions.

[Viridiana]

While she was a plot device, she isn't necessarily one of the "bigger roles" of the story such as the scions and all.

Honestly, I feel she's had a bigger role than Nanamo. When Nanamo was poisoned I only cared at all because she was a head of state and some things just aren't to be done. I had no personal connection to her at all. It may be different for people who started in Ul'dah, but for me there was no sense of personal loss. By comparison, it's been 4 days and I'm still kinda sad about Haurchefant, and my feelings about Ysayle are tempered by the knowledge that she has the Echo and "died" off-screen, so there's a decent amount of wiggle room for her to come back. Estinien was starting to grow on me, so while I don't feel his loss as keenly, I'm still interested in getting him back, which I suspect will involve separating his essence from Nidhogg's somehow.

[Shuon]

As for Estinien, he's definitely as good as gone. It felt a little odd that more people weren't shocked by his absence, though.

According to the dragoon job storyline Estinien was never known to be around Ishgard from the outset. He felt the stir of nidhogg and, in thinking that nidhogg would raze ishgard to the ground, stole the eye and left ishgard, never to be found. His liaison with aymeric was probably private and confidential.

Also, being the azure dragoon seemed to have given him a lot of autonomy and since no1 could 'control' him, I dont think anyone really care if he was around or not.

Finally, the dragoons are basically dragon killers and have minimal political affiliation with the governing bodies of ishgard so I dont think their endeavres/misendeavres really meant anything to anyone apart from themselves.

[Theodric]

I'm sort of hoping that he's a reference to Kain Highwind to the point where after being consumed by Nidhogg's influence he'll be rescued and rejoin the Warrior of Light. I'll be very sad if he's permanently gone - though it does, unfortunately, seem likely.

[lololink]

I still wonder how niddhog managed to come back with his old body, did he primaled himself ?

[Shuon]

I still wonder how niddhog managed to come back with his old body, did he primaled himself ?

Possible explanation is the blood of ratatoskr that allows all of the original offsprings of the knights to turn into dragons with dragon blood as catalysts - in his case he had more than mere blood but the very essence of nidhogg- the only question of the new wyrm's consciousness is shared amongst them two, or belongs to nidhogg alone

[Jonnycbad]

I haven't beaten 3.0 yet but I would have wagered that he would get both eyes and be overcome. It's forshadowed that he's a jerk from he start, so not much of a plot twist. Since references have been made to Omega at the end of 2.0, it'll be interesting if Shinryu makes an appearance as the dragon's answer to Primals, similar to what Ultima was to the Garleans.

[Jonnycbad]

Finally, the dragoons are basically dragon killers and have minimal political affiliation with the governing bodies of ishgard so I dont think their endeavres/misendeavres really meant anything to anyone apart from themselves.

Aren't they the highest order of knights in Ishgard? They hang out at the Congregation and that's basically the HQ for Ishgard's knights, and knights are the officers of the Ishagardian military, likely with the Dragoons being sort of the 'special forces', as kind of inferred by the DRG 3.0 storylines. Although in that story you see a that even Drachen Armor-clad DRGs armed with Gae Bolgs get their asses handed to them by some fodder dragons, which is odd, because I assumed Drachen Armor+Gae Bolg were only given to the most elite dragoons, but you see Gae Bolgs and Drachen Armor worn by dozens of Dragoons in the story, and they get rocked by level 50 Avis and Dragonflies....lol

[Souljacker]

I think it's because most people thought Estinien was a jerk, even though he was well within reason while Iceheart basically relied on a false image to for peace.

I hated him, for certain. I didn't like him in the Dragoon quests, and really wasn't on board with how big a character he is in HW. What would have made him a good tragic character was to see him fall to his death with Nidhogg, but of COURSE he jumps away to safety because he's just THAT GOOD. And Nidhogg somehow, completely blind, managed to stay in range of the tower we were on. Because reasons.

Not going to shed a tear over it. Most of the story has me just shaking my head, actually.

[Kauthryn]

According to the dragoon job...

This more or less ignores that Aymeric looked to Estinien specifically for support against the Archbishop, to which Estinien said he would offer his support even if dragoons normally remained separate from internal politics. He's often spoken of highly by most people that you encounter with him, because he seems to represent Ishgardian dominance over dragons. Saying that a group dedicated to protecting Ishgard from dragons has little importance is mind boggling given the atmosphere, sorry.