Estinien (spoilers)

[Viridiana]

While she was a plot device, she isn't necessarily one of the "bigger roles" of the story such as the scions and all.

Honestly, I feel she's had a bigger role than Nanamo. When Nanamo was poisoned I only cared at all because she was a head of state and some things just aren't to be done. I had no personal connection to her at all. It may be different for people who started in Ul'dah, but for me there was no sense of personal loss. By comparison, it's been 4 days and I'm still kinda sad about Haurchefant, and my feelings about Ysayle are tempered by the knowledge that she has the Echo and "died" off-screen, so there's a decent amount of wiggle room for her to come back. Estinien was starting to grow on me, so while I don't feel his loss as keenly, I'm still interested in getting him back, which I suspect will involve separating his essence from Nidhogg's somehow.

[Dererk]

Remember the thing about souls with the Echo, though. While she probably can't recover her physical body, her soul is eternal in a different way than most mortals. I suspect she'll be able to help Estinien return to his former self, even in her current state.

By bringing Nanamo back so fraking easily, they've kind of turned this into a setting where no major death can be taken seriously.

I think your forgetting Haurchefant died.

His death hit me more than Nanamo ever would have.

Not to mention it was one of the best scenes in HW.

[Fenral]

I think your forgetting Haurchefant died.

His death hit me more than Nanamo ever would have.

Not to mention it was one of the best scenes in HW.

I could never forget Haurchefant. If anything, I'm pissed that he was killed off "for real" so soon after the catalyzing incident for the entire expansion storyline was swept under the rug.

I'll be even more pissed if any of our other friends actually die from the remaining fallout of Lolorito's oh-just-kidding betrayal.

[slml320]

The loss of characters is a pretty strong Final Fantasy trope and we don't really know that Iceheart is dead. I mean, she "falls to her death," which is almost always a sign that someone will come back.

As for Estinien, he's definitely as good as gone. It felt a little odd that more people weren't shocked by his absence, though.

She also dispersed into aether, so I think she's gone. (Which is sad because she was my favorite character in HEAVENSWARD)

by far ICEHEART was the stand out character in heavensward and i was really upset they sort of kinda not really sure killed her off.. for some reason i felt more closer to ice heart and her struggle etc than hell even my nod at f.cking everything own character.. the way she wanted peace just took a different direction!! .. i took her maybe possible death harder than haurchefants death for some reason!!
i was living in hope she would join the scions!!! estinien i just couldn't really like him much bit of a arse and annoying!!
PLEASE BRING BACK ICE HEART!! with the magic of ffxiv writing!!

[Causality]

Its ok they killed off the ones I liked the most Haruchefant, Estinien, Ice Heart, and I actually did Like Lahabrea. Granted Ysale as well as the Archbishop and his knights went the way of Louisoix, even if they could and probably can Summon at least Shiva back, would they? The scions aren't in the habit of summoning Primals, granted they were pretty desperate when they tried to Summon the Twelve, to which Louisoix ended the summoning before they manifested as a primal.

[Aphel]

Don't think he can be saved, at least with the way things are going. Remember the trailer for Heavensward? It was a huge dragon invasion of Ishgarde.

It's going to get mighty interesting!

[Theodric]

I'm sort of hoping that he's a reference to Kain Highwind to the point where after being consumed by Nidhogg's influence he'll be rescued and rejoin the Warrior of Light. I'll be very sad if he's permanently gone - though it does, unfortunately, seem likely.

[lololink]

I still wonder how niddhog managed to come back with his old body, did he primaled himself ?

[Shuon]

I still wonder how niddhog managed to come back with his old body, did he primaled himself ?

Possible explanation is the blood of ratatoskr that allows all of the original offsprings of the knights to turn into dragons with dragon blood as catalysts - in his case he had more than mere blood but the very essence of nidhogg- the only question of the new wyrm's consciousness is shared amongst them two, or belongs to nidhogg alone

[Jonnycbad]

I haven't beaten 3.0 yet but I would have wagered that he would get both eyes and be overcome. It's forshadowed that he's a jerk from he start, so not much of a plot twist. Since references have been made to Omega at the end of 2.0, it'll be interesting if Shinryu makes an appearance as the dragon's answer to Primals, similar to what Ultima was to the Garleans.