Shadow Wall vs Vengeance!

[Ditto]

PLD is definitely the "safer" option for MTing, but end-game content won't be impossible for DRKs.

Just as nothing was impossible for a Warrior in 2.0. All tanks can fill any role, but it doesn't mean it's going to be a clean fight, or that the class is going to do it's job as MT effectively enough to relieve stress and worry on the rest of the group. I mean there is a reason people preferred Paladin as a MT over a Warrior.

OT they have the advantage over PLD and aren't far behind WAR. For min/maxing groups, it does leave DRK in a bad position at the moment since those groups likely won't want a DRK.

However, I do want to say that a PLD in Shield Oath and a DRK in Grit, the DRK does far more damage than the PLD. Far more.

Well this confirms it then, you have no idea what you're talking about (Even more so based on your posts in other relevant threads). Nor do you seem to know how the general raid community feels in terms of actually wanting to succeed. Min/Max group or not, if the group wants a Paladin or War as a MT because they make the fight more smooth, they will look for those classes in specific. Better tanking kit = less stress on healers = smoother run = better chance of success.

That is literally common sense, and the Party Finder (And static recruiting PF listings) have always been filled with them.

[Kaedan]

Just as nothing was impossible for a Warrior in 2.0. All tanks can fill any role, but it doesn't mean it's going to be a clean fight, or that the class is going to do it's job as MT effectively enough to relieve stress and worry on the rest of the group. I mean there is a reason people preferred Paladin as a MT over a Warrior.

There's no stress for any content but Coil (and whatever the new raid is going to be).

Nor do you seem to know how the general raid community feels in terms of actually wanting to succeed. Min/Max group or not, if the group wants a Paladin or War as a MT because they make the fight more smooth, they will look for those classes in specific. Better tanking kit = less stress on healers = smoother run = better chance of success.

I'm well aware, but thanks for the ad homs instead of actually validly arguing a point.

Yes, a lot of the "raid community" are min/maxers. That's very common. And so yes, it is going to make it harder for DRKs to participate in raids until SE does something to make DRKs perception better, as I said. That doesn't make DRKs "cripplingly worse" than PLD or WAR. They are right in the middle of a PLD or WAR, which is seen as a negative by min/maxers.