Estinien (spoilers)

[Emerald_Wyvern]

In the ending he gets both eyes and is consumed by Nidhogg, transforming into him. Now would it even be possible to save him from that? Alphinaud mentions that he wants to if you talk him, but I'm not sure.

[Lorielle]

In the ending he gets both eyes and is consumed by Nidhogg, transforming into him. Now would it even be possible to save him from that? Alphinaud mentions that he wants to if you talk him, but I'm not sure.

He mentions that if it were possible to find a way to save Estinien, they would have to look into it and make it happen. As of right now, Estinien is as good as dead. I'm still more irked that Iceheart was actually axed. I was really liking her. :/

[Kauthryn]

The loss of characters is a pretty strong Final Fantasy trope and we don't really know that Iceheart is dead. I mean, she "falls to her death," which is almost always a sign that someone will come back.

As for Estinien, he's definitely as good as gone. It felt a little odd that more people weren't shocked by his absence, though.

[Shuon]

As for Estinien, he's definitely as good as gone. It felt a little odd that more people weren't shocked by his absence, though.

According to the dragoon job storyline Estinien was never known to be around Ishgard from the outset. He felt the stir of nidhogg and, in thinking that nidhogg would raze ishgard to the ground, stole the eye and left ishgard, never to be found. His liaison with aymeric was probably private and confidential.

Also, being the azure dragoon seemed to have given him a lot of autonomy and since no1 could 'control' him, I dont think anyone really care if he was around or not.

Finally, the dragoons are basically dragon killers and have minimal political affiliation with the governing bodies of ishgard so I dont think their endeavres/misendeavres really meant anything to anyone apart from themselves.

[Kauthryn]

According to the dragoon job...

This more or less ignores that Aymeric looked to Estinien specifically for support against the Archbishop, to which Estinien said he would offer his support even if dragoons normally remained separate from internal politics. He's often spoken of highly by most people that you encounter with him, because he seems to represent Ishgardian dominance over dragons. Saying that a group dedicated to protecting Ishgard from dragons has little importance is mind boggling given the atmosphere, sorry.

[Gaiussenpai]

I think it's because most people thought Estinien was a jerk, even though he was well within reason while Iceheart basically relied on a false image to for peace.

[Samcaesar]

I think it's because most people thought Estinien was a jerk, even though he was well within reason while Iceheart basically relied on a false image to for peace.

I haven't gotten through the story completely yet, but considering how Estinien just constantly wants to talk about killing dragons with no regards to working towards peace, something that actually happened, I don't see how Iceheart relied on a false image for peace. I'm so sad that they killed Iceheart and Hauchefant, they're really nice characters.

[Gaiussenpai]

I meant more of her thinking she was Shiva reborn but had good intentions.

[Souljacker]

I think it's because most people thought Estinien was a jerk, even though he was well within reason while Iceheart basically relied on a false image to for peace.

I hated him, for certain. I didn't like him in the Dragoon quests, and really wasn't on board with how big a character he is in HW. What would have made him a good tragic character was to see him fall to his death with Nidhogg, but of COURSE he jumps away to safety because he's just THAT GOOD. And Nidhogg somehow, completely blind, managed to stay in range of the tower we were on. Because reasons.

Not going to shed a tear over it. Most of the story has me just shaking my head, actually.