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  1. #21
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    Ipkonfig's Avatar
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    Ulfheonar Wolfhiem
    World
    Zalera
    Main Class
    Marauder Lv 60
    FoF is decent, 30% damage for 30s on 90s CD, 33% uptime for an overall damage increase for around 10%.

    I guess DRK's "Sword Oath" is Dark Side, 15% constant damage increase, which can be up while in Grit. They also have Blood Weapon which is 10% attack speed and MP/hit for 15s on a 40s CD. Makes TP sustain rough.

    Zerk is an amazing DPS cooldown if you have a good healer who can dispel the pacify right as it lands, but on average all of WARs potencies are really low, all three combos for them average at or just below 200, Fracture for them is only 300 potency, and the only OGCD they get is Brutal Swing for 50 potency every 20s. The saving grace is Maim + Deliverance giving them 25% more damage and the 2% crit per stack of Abandon and Fel Cleave hitting like a truck.

    Another thing to consider is that DRK has 5 OGCD attacks to factor in.

    Low Blow - 100 potency
    Salted Earth - 525 potency
    Dark Passenger - 150 potency
    Plunge - 200 potency
    Carve and Spit - 450 potency with DA

    DRK will have fantastic tanking DPS as well, Dark Side running while in Grit helps stop the DPS loss on the stance, and Low Blow has a 30% chance to reset on Parry. Dark Dance has a 33% uptime... SO MANY KICKS!
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    Last edited by Ipkonfig; 06-23-2015 at 05:52 AM.

  2. #22
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    Xenosan's Avatar
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    Character
    Goffard Gaffgarion
    World
    Sargatanas
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 73
    From what I can tell, Attack potency is not factored into Blood Weapon, every attack (GCD or oGCD) replenishes the same amount of MP. So Low Blow, Plunge, Carve & Split, Reprisal.. want to use all these during Blood Weapon preferably, as that's properly 'min/maxing' that CD. The better the MP replenishment, the more Dark Arts buff'd Souleater, Dark Passenger, and Carve & Split that can be dished out.

    Like DPS using BfB, also consider 'holding' on popping BloodWeapon until the GCD wheel is at 75% or higher. This may squeeze an extra GCD into the buff's duration.
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  3. #23
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    RBlackshield's Avatar
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    Enduring Steel
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    Exodus
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 63
    FoF is on a 90s cooldown, not a 180s cooldown.
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  4. #24
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    Kaedan Burkhardt
    World
    Atomos
    Main Class
    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by SirTaint View Post
    Don't forget Sword oath (the biggest DPS increase of any JA besides maybe cleric stance)

    I haven't played DRK yet but what is their equivalent to FoF/Zerk?

    I wish the grind to 60 wasn't so lengthy. I am looking forward to parsing all 3 jobs in 30sec,3,5 and 7 minute intervals for science.
    DRK have two direct damage buffing skills: Darkside. It's a 15% increase to all damage, but drains MP slowly while active. We also have Dark Arts, which significantly increases the potency of some skills, but it costs a lot of MP to use, so you have to combine it with either Blood Price (tanking with Grit) or Blood Weapon (no Grit). Though speaking of Blood Weapon, that does increase attack speed.

    A competent DRK can keep Darkside up at all times, so we constantly get a 15% damage bonus.
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  5. #25
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    Doc_Carmichael's Avatar
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    Character
    Heavenly Storm
    World
    Malboro
    Main Class
    Bard Lv 61

    Should I try Drk?

    I have lvl 53 bard and loving it, but think if dark is a more dps tank I'll give it a go!
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  6. #26
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    Character
    Blue Thunder
    World
    Cactuar
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by SirTaint View Post
    I haven't played DRK yet but what is their equivalent to FoF/Zerk?

    I wish the grind to 60 wasn't so lengthy. I am looking forward to parsing all 3 jobs in 30sec,3,5 and 7 minute intervals for science.
    Pretty much what Kaedan told you, DRKs have no buff that would increase their overall damage for X seconds. Instead, we can use MP on keeping Darkside up (15% more damage) and need to use Dark Arts (Potency increase OR enhanced Defensive Cooldown) for the next skill that uses its effect, albeit Dark Arts consumes 1/4 of your maximum MP, so its quite difficult to pop that all the time unless A) Constantly attacked by a pack of mobs and Blood Price is up, or B) Using Blood Weapon when OTing.

    The thing is, Dark Knight has even more oGCD offensive skills than PLD or WAR, thou 1 of them consumes MP too (damn you, Dark Passenger), so half of your damage as a DRK comes from all those skills and the correct use of Dark Arts.
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  7. #27
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    BlueThunder's Avatar
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    Character
    Blue Thunder
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    Cactuar
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaedan View Post
    DRK have two direct damage buffing skills: Darkside. It's a 15% increase to all damage, but drains MP slowly while active. We also have Dark Arts, which significantly increases the potency of some skills, but it costs a lot of MP to use, so you have to combine it with either Blood Price (tanking with Grit) or Blood Weapon (no Grit). Though speaking of Blood Weapon, that does increase attack speed.

    A competent DRK can keep Darkside up at all times, so we constantly get a 15% damage bonus.
    Yeah, Blood Weapon increases your attack speed by more than it seems. But it just makes you drain your TP like crazy.
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  8. #28
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    Xyphon's Avatar
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    Character
    Shira Tempest
    World
    Ridill
    Main Class
    Gladiator Lv 90
    So far I've leveled up DRK to 59, and have been full str distribution the entire time (in full vit gear I'm still at about 13k+ health without food). Dark arts + souleater has crit several times for 1.6k on many boss fights; with grit enabled (without crit its hitting for like 1.1-1.2k). Including Ravana. I did though see a screen shot of a fell cleave for like 3.5k though lol. Once we find the comfortable HP level for end game, we'll be able to gauge more in terms of tank dps rankings.

    After I get drk to 60 I plan to either take pld or war to 60 next for comparison. So far I've also haven't had any issues maintaining darkside the entire dungeon/raid, especially after you get soul survivor (great for adds). Looks like they fixed the tooltip for it after maint last night as well, woot.

    If you ever get into a situation where you see your mp going dry, you can always pop a mana pot for emergencies to prevent it reaching zero. My rotations seem to be a tad different than most people, and I nearly always have a substantial amount of tp. I weave the enmity rotation every other rotation, so I can keep full mp. That being said, I'm still addicted to using fracture from when I played pld. I feel scourge+fracture+salted earth is just insane @_@.
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    Last edited by Xyphon; 06-24-2015 at 04:32 AM.

  9. #29
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    Furious George
    World
    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Marauder Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    Doesn't matter what he posted, all of it was wrong.

    Oh look, you and everyone else in this thread was wrong. Imagine that. Not the first time I've been right, not the last time, and certainly not among a few.

    Warrior dps is very high at the moment. Their survivability is just as good as Paladin, their Parry Buff is FAR superior than Sheltron.

    Hey, you heard it here first, and you'll hear it here last. I was right.
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  10. #30
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    Character
    Iam Groot
    World
    Leviathan
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 60
    1. War
    2. War
    3. War

    in that order
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    Hoarders gonna Horde.

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