Increase the Experience for Fates/Dungeons/Add XP to 50 Dungeons.

[Kaedan94]

ahh but you see, the story does not stop once they hit 50. quite a bit of story after 50 before they can reach Ishgard so yeah saying they don't need help means you aren't really looking at the big picture.

I see the big picture just fine, you're not. Once people hit 60 with their main job, they will be running High level roulette for the extra Law tomes you get.

you know the first dungeon isn't till level 51 so what about those of us leveling more than one job? sounds like you thought out your responses as much as SE thought about us leveling multiple jobs.

When you level your main job to 60, you'll get the 50% armory bonus for 50-60 for your other jobs. And if you're leveling more than one job at the same time, then you can split the quests so you can get them all at least up to 51 fairly quickly.

Don't accuse others of not thinking things through when you haven't yourself.

[Wildsprite]

I see the big picture just fine, you're not. Once people hit 60 with their main job, they will be running High level roulette for the extra Law tomes you get.

seriously roulettes? bah. that is just a bad excuse not to add exp to those dungeons nothing more. roulettes were originally intended to help newer players. high level roulette is something some of us skip over cause a lot of the content in it just blows. I don't consider High level roulette an option nor a good excuse not to add EXP to those dungeons.

When you level your main job to 60, you'll get the 50% armory bonus for 50-60 for your other jobs. And if you're leveling more than one job at the same time, then you can split the quests so you can get them all at least up to 51 fairly quickly.

Don't accuse others of not thinking things through when you haven't yourself.

oh I have thought about it perfectly fine, there is no reason that all of the ARR dungeons at lvl 50 pre heavensward shouldnt give EXP. all it denotes on the part of the devs is laziness and you are making excuses for them. stop white knighting them it just makes you look bad

you should also keep in mind if they make this game enough of a grind it will cause people to rage and many of those to leave. that would be bad for us getting new content.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

Yeah, and you also fail to explain people (new players) who don't have high level roulette's unlocked yet. So they just have to suffer getting no experience in dungeons until they completed them all?

Don't accuse others of not thinking things through when you haven't yourself.

[Vaer]

They want you to level 50-60 playing Ishgard content, not rehashing the same ARR content

There are actually people grinding 50+ jobs in northern thanalan on the FATEs there which seems to indicate there is an efficiency problem in HW areas once you finish all the quests.

[Mhikail]

Dunno. I think it's pretty damn lame to have a FATE give as much as a level 20 Quest LOL.
Go to N Than. and you get a bit more EXP and it's faster. It takes ages in these new area's to finish them.
Inb4: "YOU WANNA LEVEL IN 2 DAYS"
No, but I think we'd all like a bump in EXP. The amount you get is so low.
What we have? like 13 jobs total? It's gonna be a long ride for the other 12.
Do not want this to be a Korean Grind. Most people use Leve's for crafting and they are 10 a pop for battle so I mean...
pick and choose.
As a dungeon person I say kick up some EXP in mobs. This is 2.0 all over but this time there's no good way to level lmao.

My advice: You grind N Than. FATEs to 51 and get DV, then grind that till the next dungeon from there on.

[Kaedan94]

Yeah, and you also fail to explain people (new players) who don't have high level roulette's unlocked yet. So they just have to suffer getting no experience in dungeons until they completed them all?

Don't accuse others of not thinking things through when you haven't yourself.

Umm... what?

First off, it was Wildsprite accusing other of not thinking when she didn't herself.

Secondly, new players don't need high level roulette to be unlocked for veteran players to join them. And for new players that hit 50, they have to simply do the story dungeons to progress. Just like with Veteran players, SE doesn't want them leveling 50-60 on ARR content.

[Kaedan94]

There are actually people grinding 50+ jobs in northern thanalan on the FATEs there which seems to indicate there is an efficiency problem in HW areas once you finish all the quests.

Yeah, I've seen that, but there's no real point. You get a marginal increase in XP over doing FATEs in Ishgard. The people doing it haven't even gotten their first job to 60, so it's not indicative of a efficiency problem after you've finished the new MSQ.

The best XP 50-60 is the new dungeons. FATEs will be essentially the level they were before the expansion once people get their Armory bonus back (getting level 60).

That seems to be the biggest lack of understanding: The armory bonus for 1-49 was DOUBLED and the armory bonus for 50-60 doesn't exist until you get your first job to 60. I think that's causing a lot of confusion.

[Wildsprite]

Umm... what?

First off, it was Wildsprite accusing other of not thinking when she didn't herself.

Secondly, new players don't need high level roulette to be unlocked for veteran players to join them. And for new players that hit 50, they have to simply do the story dungeons to progress.

there you go again accusing me of not thinking things through. I thought them through just fine, you are white knighting the devs for bad implimentation of content.
there are a lot of story quests that require dungeons/trials after lvl 50 pre heavensward. and a lot of veterans have no interest in doing dungeons that give them nothing worthwhile in return. what do they get. some of those dungeons give tomes okay for some that will work but what about those ones that want EXP? sorry but leveling in the heavensward area should not be a assumed thing not even by the players.

Just like with Veteran players, SE doesn't want them leveling 50-60 on ARR content.

the problem with this line of thinking is it creates a grind that puts people off. not a good thing. not good at all. we don't want people to leave for reasons like this.

[Vaer]

Yeah, I've seen that, but there's no real point. You get a marginal increase in XP over doing FATEs in Ishgard. The people doing it haven't even gotten their first job to 60, so it's not indicative of a efficiency problem after you've finished the new MSQ.

Well Dusk Vigil starts at 51, so you have to get that first. I've seen people stay in n. than longer though since you can queue and faceroll FATEs with a large number of people.

The FATEs in HW are mostly ignored. The maps aren't great to navigate without flying and it's too early in the expansion to expect a large number of people to have it, not to mention people are split up into different map instances so you don't really ever get the critical mass you need to really blast through them like in N. than where you can merge with the new job levelers and also with the bonus of having a way smaller map with 2 aetherytes to cover distance easily.

[Kaedan94]

Well Dusk Vigil starts at 51, so you have to get that first.

Yeah, that's what the MSQs are for. And even if you're leveling a couple jobs at the same time for some reason, you can split up the quests enough to get them all to 51.

I can understand the FATEing in N.Than over Ishgard because of familiarity reasons.