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  1. #151
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cursive View Post

    end game shells usually require certain set-ups because they are goal oriented....they do things for a very specific purpose and in the most efficient way...path of least resistance. that will never change, no matter what se does.
    This is just the newest example of people that try to rationalize what is going on by saying that players will always shunt some classes aside and promote others. Well, I just spent some time making sure about certain observation of mine, and what (little unfortunately) I fund is that in WoW for all instances and purposes there are no classes considered "usless" or "inconvinient". Certain builds are ignored, yes, but classes? No. That means that yes, you can make a game where every class can contribute more or less equally.

    And before the standarad "WoW is played by nabs" argument comes out, I was specifically looking for how the most hardcore (usually getting "first on the sever kill" achivments) guilds are doing things.
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  2. #152
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    I find this whole complaint of having to use archers silly, as the 5th chest only drops bow and sword; thus making it only useful to ARC and GLA.

    P.S. The Verdant Short bow only has 1 more attack and 17 more accuracy than a NQ Crab bow, also has shorter delay which only affects ARC AA punches HaHa. ;O You're much better off getting a HQ2 or 3 Crab bow.
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  3. #153
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    Didnt SE say they were changing the way this instance was going to be run in an up coming patch?

    I have to assume it means the whole running method, and a return to a kill and grind fast type format.
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    I hope so. And there is also job system incoming. With luck, those issuses will be adressed with those 2 changes.
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  5. #155
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grim_Lion View Post
    Didnt SE say they were changing the way this instance was going to be run in an up coming patch?

    I have to assume it means the whole running method, and a return to a kill and grind fast type format.
    They said they were gonna change battle algorithms, and therefore have to disable the battle regime system. It's gonna make speed runs harder to accomplish w/o BR, though the changed battle algorithms may make up for it.
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    Speed runs without BR are already easy-enough (not saying speed runs ARE easy though), just very capable to do them without them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cursive View Post
    easy does not mean convenient (not to mention the fact that the dungeon is retardedly easy). please go try a five chest speed run with mar, 4 arc, 2 con, 1 thm or any combination of arc and mages.
    Actually yea, it kind of does mean that. Haha

    Been through it many times, I am 100% aware how difficult a speed run is, and still stand by what I said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keftenk View Post
    Speed runs without BR are already easy-enough (not saying speed runs ARE easy though), just very capable to do them without them.
    Hey, by chance were you the same Keftenk that played FFXI on the Fairy server?
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  9. #159
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    Yup
    /10 char
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keftenk View Post
    Yup
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    Ah, good to see you're doing well. I played alongside ya for a year or two back around 2006.
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