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    Viviza Viza
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    My own take on it right now is that AST suffers too much in its basic heals in return for very circumstantially useful buffs. It results in a number of "if this and this and this happen, then using the cards this way was worth it". For example getting Spear card just as someone is about to trigger several abilities with cooldowns, or Bole before a big boss hit, or Spire on someone who would have ran out of TP if you had not used Spire. And the more times you spend redrawing to fish a good card, the less useful it is overall.

    Take a best-case and always-useful scenario where you royal road Arrow or Spear, then draw Balance or Arrow, for raid dps. You increase raid dps by 5% for 15 seconds, at the cost of two draws, so once a minute. This works out to 1.25% dps to the raid. This also only has an 11% chance to actually happen, without using additional abilities like spread and shuffle. Compare this to Selene, a pet, who offers 3% speed with 50% uptime, and works 100% of the time. So about 1.5% bonus dps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viviza View Post

    Take a best-case and always-useful scenario where you royal road Arrow or Spear, then draw Balance or Arrow, for raid dps. You increase raid dps by 5% for 15 seconds, at the cost of two draws, so once a minute. This works out to 1.25% dps to the raid. This also only has an 11% chance to actually happen, without using additional abilities like spread and shuffle. Compare this to Selene, a pet, who offers 3% speed with 50% uptime, and works 100% of the time. So about 1.5% bonus dps.
    Lvl 54 AST. I have been thinking about the exact same thing:

    AST: 5% party attack speed boost, 15sec duration, small radius, 60secs cooldown, High skill required (think on the fly, quick finger, lots of buttons to press)

    Selene: 3% party attack speed boost, 30sec duration, medium radius, 60secs cooldown, Low skill required (1 button to press, u can even set her on auto mode)


    Okay, based on the above observation, please show me why AST isn't complete trash??
    People have been saying AST is a fancy class with high skill level required for high reward. But so far I could only see the skill level part, and I highly doubt the reward part...
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    Last edited by RoseM; 06-23-2015 at 02:50 AM.

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    Kiaris Moonskar
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoseM View Post
    Lvl 54 AST. I have been thinking about the exact same thing:

    AST: 5% party attack speed boost, 15sec duration, small radius, 60secs cooldown, High skill required (think on the fly, quick finger, lots of buttons to press)

    Selene: 3% party attack speed boost, 30sec duration, medium radius, 60secs cooldown, Low skill required (1 button to press, u can even set her on auto mode)


    Okay, based on the above observation, please show me why AST isn't complete trash??
    People have been saying AST is a fancy class with high skill level required for high reward. But so far I could only see the skill level part, and I highly doubt the reward part...
    You lose Eos's AOE Dot heal to do this. AST doesn't ?

    That's all I can think of
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiaris View Post
    You lose Eos's AOE Dot heal to do this. AST doesn't ?

    That's all I can think of
    That's all I can think of too.
    But AST loses chance to cast other buffs too. So it seems like an even: SCH can only choose between 2 fairies, AST can only choose 1 of the 6 buffs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoseM View Post
    Lvl 54 AST. I have been thinking about the exact same thing:

    AST: 5% party attack speed boost, 15sec duration, small radius, 60secs cooldown, High skill required (think on the fly, quick finger, lots of buttons to press)

    Selene: 3% party attack speed boost, 30sec duration, medium radius, 60secs cooldown, Low skill required (1 button to press, u can even set her on auto mode)


    Okay, based on the above observation, please show me why AST isn't complete trash??
    People have been saying AST is a fancy class with high skill level required for high reward. But so far I could only see the skill level part, and I highly doubt the reward part...

    lvl58 AST now. Healed approximately 10 runs of Vault yesterday. My thoughts so far:

    1. The problem of REALLY WEAK buff still remains. Every time I RR'ed an AOE balance/arrow, it reminds me that as a buffer, my dmg buff can't even out-buff Selene..

    [continue...]
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoseM View Post
    lvl58 AST now. Healed approximately 10 runs of Vault yesterday. My thoughts so far:
    Continue on my own thread. I'm a lvl 60 AST now, healed 10 runs of Ravana EX last time and got my 190 weapon. Thoughts so far:

    1. On the healing side, AST can do his job, but his fault tolerance is really low. The reason behind that is AST lacks of burst healing ability. E.g. when the other healer died, I know I can solo heal the party for at least 30sec ish as a WHM, with Divine seal, Presence of Mind, Tetragrammaton, and Benediction, I know I can do that even better as a SCH, with 9 stacks of Aetherflow, Virus, Lustrate, Indomitability, Both Tactics, and Dissipation. But when it comes to AST, all I have is Essential Dignity, and perhaps an Arrow card if I was lucky... Lightspeed? Are you kidding me??
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