Your thoughts on Astrolgian so far?

[silentwindfr]

@vlady: i feel you misunderstand something about the healer...

- White mage pro is the power of him healing, it's the one that can launch the most potent heal, him direct heal is by far the best, especially for group healing. the regen offer it more flexibility avoiding to stuck it into chain heal. however is not it main tool, the main tool of the white mage stay the strong direct heal.
- Scholar pro is the exelent capacity to adapt to the situation. it main tool are the shielding of him healing and the fairy that heal with them, they can even leave the healing to it and adopt a more versatile position into the fight. it role is the most free of the three healer. because of the shield and the fairy it can easily switch between dps and healer.
- Astrologian pro is the utility and support of the class. it's not to outshine either of the other healer, but to complement each of them. plus it have a lot of possibility in the domain of the buff, by far it's the most buffing jobs we did get, the closer of a support jobs.

astrologian will not make the other jobs irevelant since him jobs it's actually to complement and cover the lack of either healer. for make simple a group that have a scholar and don't have a white mage, the astrologian can adapt it gameplay and become more like a white mage. if a group with a white mage don't have a scholar, the astrologian can adapt it gameplay to be more like the scholar.

it's not a point to become better than the other jobs, since it can't do both role at the same time (it can't change him sect in fight). but, asking for the astrologian to be on par with other healer is legitimate. what you say is not different of the dragoon and monk when the ninja was announced, you are scared to loose your place, but that not the case, it's only another option....

[SovereignAegis]

At present it seems like... really weak. I don't know what to think of it yet.

I will level it up soon, but at present I am not seeing the appeal.

The buffs from cards? Nice, but you only apply their decent effect onto a single party member which is a letdown.

I really only find Bole/The Balance good. Mindyou I LOVE The Balance. Perhaps the MP could be useful on a Bard/MCH using their TP/MP songs, or on a WHM directly. But really aside from that just reshuffle those other cards.

[LycorisSelunis]

At present it seems like... really weak. I don't know what to think of it yet.

I will level it up soon, but at present I am not seeing the appeal.

The buffs from cards? Nice, but you only apply their decent effect onto a single party member which is a letdown.

I really only find Bole/The Balance good. Mindyou I LOVE The Balance. Perhaps the MP could be useful on a Bard/MCH using their TP/MP songs, or on a WHM directly. But really aside from that just reshuffle those other cards.

At low level ewer is good on flash-hallpy pld and great for drk-they cant get mp recovery from the party but cost reduction sure works!

Spire is good on aoe-ing phys classes or ones that just run through tp stupid fast. can be used on tanks too.

Spear is the most situational. when in doubt I toss it on a mch or something that has a lot of short cds they use rotationally

arrow is best on casters sofar- it increases skillspeed, spellspeed, and autoattack speed so good for any dos or yourself in a spamhealing pinch

bole needs little explanation-primarily for tank. same with balance-whomever is doing the most damage

you can make these aoe but lesser potency with royal road. or extended duration. or increased potency.

yes their heals are weaker. this has sofar only been an issue in very large pulls that are extended too long due to lack of aoe, or tanks that use no defensive cds, but I see this becoming an issue along with mp consumption later on.

[silentwindfr]

spear is maybe the most powerfull of the whole. i'm not joking, if you put it under +50% of effect, it lead to a -30% of cd, place it on any machinist and it will be a pure bliss for him, since it do play with tons of CD, when you think about 20-30 second less for the next phase of burst it's very powerfull.

actually it work for any dps that use CD for complement them dps, well used the spear can have a really huge increase of dps, since it will reduce the time between the use of CD like Blood for Blood for example.

an example of what i means, cast spear improved on a ninja before it use TA, it will reduce the cd on TA of 18 second. (or 12 second if you don't boost it) if you count the time TA effect is up, it means you only need to wait 32 second before the next one instead of 50 second. more TA, means more global dps on the monster.... if that not powerfull.

ps: one point very important, Spear don't reduce the CD that are running, but the one that while start while having the buff.

[LycorisSelunis]

spear is maybe the most powerfull of the whole. i'm not joking, if you put it under +50% of effect, it lead to a -30% of cd, place it on any machinist and it will be a pure bliss for him, since it do play with tons of CD, when you think about 20-30 second less for the next phase of burst it's very powerfull.

actually it work for any dps that use CD for complement them dps, well used the spear can have a really huge increase of dps, since it will reduce the time between the use of CD like Blood for Blood for example.

ps: one point very important, Spear don't reduce the CD that are running, but the one that while start while having the buff.

I agree. a good MCH makes great use of it. Then I get a crap MCH and feel like I wasted a buff.....

[silentwindfr]

I agree. a good MCH makes great use of it. Then I get a crap MCH and feel like I wasted a buff.....

i play with a friend with a vocal, we coordinate the buff and all, and he ask for it himself, he prefer this at balance buff actually. since less time between CD will be far better than a flat +10% or +15% dps for him.

[Mhikail]

So Nocturnal Sect only applies to 1 skill?
Not much point...and said skill is level 58.

Correct me if I'm wrong, see here:
http://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/Astrologian

[silentwindfr]

the two aspected normally must be affected by it.

[Mwynn]

So Nocturnal Sect only applies to 1 skill?
Not much point...and said skill is level 58.

Not like FFXIV ever is capped at Lv.60.
The thing about AST is simple, it can take the Role of being the WHM or SCH in the Group with the Stances.
Both have their Advantages, Nocturnal Sect is Damage Mitigation when there is a lot of Monsters around and Diurnal Sect is the Stance where you can Regen the whole Party while trashing Mobs with Gravity or other Abilities.

I have seen so many AST in North Thanalan while FATE Grinding, they use Spire/Balance Buffs on theirselves which is wrong.

I always give up the "Arrow/Spear" Card after drawn, which results into AoE Card Buffs. I had 2 AST's in the Chrysallis Thanks to Trial Roulette with different Stances over the Fight.
Result : The Boss in there just got trashed and the Tear Add didn't need to be LB3'd *lol*

My AST is iLvl 121 btw with a iLvl 120 Orb dropped from Dusk Vigil. Heals are critting around 4.000 ~ 4.400 and MP gives trouble only when I use Lightspeed in combination with Cleric Stance and tons of Gravity^^

[LycorisSelunis]

So Nocturnal Sect only applies to 1 skill?
Not much point...and said skill is level 58.

Correct me if I'm wrong, see here:
http://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/Astrologian

aspect benefic and aspect helios should be affected by it, the tooltips may be wrong though,....