Game of Thrones reference overload (minor spoilers)

[Edellis]

So Ishgard (and to a smaller extent all of ARR) has always been heavily GoT-inspired, especially the localization. Yoshida is a known fan of the show, and clearly that goes for the English team as well. But aren't they taking it a few steps too far now? The whole trial by combat thing was just TOO blatant. They even used "in the eyes of gods and men"! It's to the point where it almost comes off as a ripoff!

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FFXIV's localization is very much like the Ivalice titles (Vagrant Story, FF tactics, FFXII). They've used this sort of dialect before, extensively. Trial by Battle or "in the eyes of gods and men" has nothing to do with GoT. They just borrowed elements from the same culture.


The other stuff just seems to be typical tropes of this kind of conflict. It's frigid, something terrible is coming, people stand watch, corrupt highborn, ect ect.

Naturally, they would borrow references from Game of Thrones, as it's highly popular, the same way they snuck a Frozen reference into Shiva. But I think you're just viewing the tropes here a tad too narrowly. Game of thrones is not original in most of these instances at all, you're just ignorant of where they pulled it from.

[Takfloyd]

FFXIV's localization is very much like the Ivalice titles (Vagrant Story, FF tactics, FFXII). They've used this sort of dialect before, extensively. Trial by Battle or "in the eyes of gods and men" has nothing to do with GoT. They just borrowed elements from the same culture.


The other stuff just seems to be typical tropes of this kind of conflict. It's frigid, something terrible is coming, people stand watch, corrupt highborn, ect ect.

Naturally, they would borrow references from Game of Thrones, as it's highly popular, the same way they snuck a Frozen reference into Shiva. But I think you're just viewing the tropes here a tad too narrowly. Game of thrones is not original in most of these instances at all, you're just ignorant of where they pulled it from.

You assume too much. I am very knowledgeable about past FF games, as well as real and faux-medieval speech patterns and phrases used in historical as well as fictitious writings.

These are not coincidences. None of them are. These passages in the story are deliberately lifted wholesale from Game of Thrones. I knew people would argue against it because people always argue even the dumbest things. I'm just stating the facts though. This thread isn't for debating whether or not the references are a coincidence - but whether or not we have left "clever reference" territory and ventured into straight ripoff.

[Kaedan]

These are not coincidences. None of them are. These passages in the story are deliberately lifted wholesale from Game of Thrones.

You're wrong, sorry Takfloyd. Simply and utterly wrong. Are they coincidences? No, you're right about that. Because they are TROPES. Staples of the genre. Extremely common elements you see in nearly any piece of semi-historical/medieval-like fiction.

[Takfloyd]

You're wrong, sorry Takfloyd. Simply and utterly wrong. Are they coincidences? No, you're right about that. Because they are TROPES. Staples of the genre. Extremely common elements you see in nearly any piece of semi-historical/medieval-like fiction.

Laughable. Don't make a fool of yourself - you clearly aren't familiar with Game of Thrones.

[Kaedan]

Laughable. Don't make a fool of yourself - you clearly aren't familiar with Game of Thrones.

LOL And you're clearly not familiar with the meaning of the word "trope".

[Takfloyd]

LOL And you're clearly not familiar with the meaning of the word "trope".

It is you who need to familiarize yourself with that word, which you obviously just learned from TVTropes last year.

Direct quotes and name references aren't tropes.

[RyuRoots]

It is you who need to familiarize yourself with that word, which you obviously just learned from TVTropes last year.

Direct quotes and name references aren't tropes.

So are you next going to tell us that GoT invented Dragons? Babby's First Grimderp fans always make stuff like this. Are there references? Sure. But first, Dusk Vigil and its position were known LONG before Heavensward came out. And you're seriously having someone being a rank we've also known exists within Ishgard for ages as a "reference"? I'm not gonna break down every point, but the gist is this: some of those are references, but you're being a desperate fanboy if you wanna try to say that EVERYTHING about it is a GoT reference.

[Hillo]

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While it's true that the localization could be called similar to the Ivalice titles, I don't think all of the references in the Dusk Vigil is just coincidental at all. Sure, the phrases have been used before, but that doesn't stop it from potentially being taken from GoT. They haven't been afraid to bash a few over our heads before :P A few more references, just to chalk some more up:

*Tam Tara HM boss attack called "Red Wedding"
*Levequest called "Storm of Swords"
*A character named Eddard in the Lancer questline (and an NPC named Neddard in La Noscea)
*Quest "The Mountain that Strides"
*Quest name "Taking the Black"
*Achievement "Stick Them With the Pointy End"
*The Direwolf mount...and its description (found in a litter with its dead mother)
*Halloween NPC said "The night is dark and full of delightful terrors"
*You must say "High as Honor" for an Ixal quest (the phrase of House Arryn)

The phrase "Seven Hells" is also regularly used. And sure, it can be coincidence, but with so many blatant references I it's not out of the question GoT could be in mind when they're choosing some of the NPC dialogue. It's not the only source, but there is obviously inspiration there and they certainly seem to like drawing from it. Despite my surname, I do think it gets to be a bit too heavy-handed at times :P

[Atoli]

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I'm just shocked HOW much the english translators referenced it. I'd probably feel the same if it was that extreme (although some things are just your personal perception and have nothing to do with GoT, like "wow, an NPC is called Eddard, an extremely common name, that MUST be a reference!"), but in other languages it isn't. There are some refrences which are fun to find (and make me question why I'm even helping out anyone in Ishgard, considering how everyone seems to still be living in the dark ages there..xD) but that's it.
Just blame the NA translators for being huge fans of the books/show and dropping a huge bucket of references on you, even when it wasn't neccessary, making the few story-driven ones seem like too much.