Thank you for the crafting changes

[Delsus]

Might be its different when your only making finished items at rank 50 for the gil, shrug. I see your point there.~
Dunno if they plan on actuall dumbing down crafting at that rank tho, they might even make it more complex/harder.
Still, you dont have to make max rank items for selling, theres plenty of profitable things to make that are lower rank.

And hey, you use small sentences even less then i do. xD

I know there are lower rank items to make for profit, but people just like to see big numbers so some will wanna sell high rank items (especially in this screwed economy) for the millions of gil they can get for em.

While I do agree we need complex items that sell for alot because of the time it takes to make em, I dont think all high rank items should take this long especially when you need to make 4 items to make 1 mat, then another 5 for another etc then make the items.

As I say making all crafts need multiple crafts to level =/= difficulty, that should be based on using the right options at the right time for what you need to do.

[Nabiri]

You mentioned starting from scratch and then proceeded to copy paste the entire crafting tree from yg without bothering to even look at what you just copied.

I think you're exaggerating. I put the list down on a notepad, organized it and counted. Then posted the exact (unless I missed one or two items, although I did double check - and I wouldn't mind being corrected if I'm wrong), number of items to make this robe from scratch. Now how could I have done that without looking? ;3

That entire list you posted has every single step in the process of crafting that final item in it.
Now tell me, whoever starts at scratch with the final components, middle components and early components all ready at start?

It's not my business who does what. You do what you like, I'll do what I like, they (whoever "they" may be) will do what they like~. I don't know why the way other people choose to craft should bother you.

Yes i realised you ment from scratch, so did all the others that responded to you in fact.
It does seem that you just dont understand that the list you posted was not the materials need to start from stratch...
That's not called condensing, its called sumarising it to show the actual amount of items needed if one were to start from scratch.
You used your list of 37 items to refer to inventory blogging, when in reality if you were to start from scratch youd only need a dozen items orso.~

I understand perfectly well that the list I posted WAS the list of items to start from scratch. ^-^ And I'm still unsure why that makes you so angry. How about this, you can blacklist me and not look at yg at all, and be ignorant to that silly robe. Trust me, you'll feel better. (And it might prevent a vicious, fury-fueled robe burning spree later!)

If you dont know about misinformation i suggest you google the defination and i think youll find it quite in tune with your list of 37 items.

Yes, I know that word.
Which is why I don't understand what you're getting at. I posted a list of items in a recipe. I didn't change this list as I saw fit, or to trick others. The information was not incorrect to my knowledge. It was plainly the list. Nothing more, nothing less.

Im not sure where you get the anger from xD but whatever.
Yes im being confrontational, but as someone who has always prided himself in helping out new players i take offense when people take such an obvious jab at trying to spread misinformation for their own perceived gain.~
Just cuz you want the system different doesnt mean you have to stoop so low you know?

I'm not the habit of misleading people. In fact, I do all I can to get facts straight. If I'm wrong I don't mind being politely corrected. But no matter how badly you want things to be otherwise, that list is still the base ingredients in full for that one robe from scratch.
You can debate fact all day if you like. It won't make you look any smarter.

I'm not sure what you're getting at when you say "for their own perceived gain.~"
Did you think I had something to gain by the post I made, emphasizing how I really love and appreciate what SE is doing for us? If you see something there that isn't you have a strong imagination.

"Just cuz you want the system different"?

How did what I want come into this? I don't want anything.
If you missed the news, SE said that crafting is changing. Whether anyone likes it is up to them. I never stated what I want.
What I want is irrelevant. What the majority of the player base wants is relevant.

doesnt mean you have to stoop so low you know?

How DARE I stoop so low as to appreciate SE's hard work for us.. HOW DARE I!!! lol

To the OP, Kailea_Nagisa, I apologize if people, including myself, ~.~ are throwing your thread off topic. I will choose to ignore such inflammatory posts on this thread in he future. /bow
I would love to see this appreciation thread get back to where it was at the start. I hope SE knows that there are people out there who are thankful for their months of work and are willing to try out new systems to see if they're any good, before judging them. I look forward to the changes. It's gotten me more excited about crafting than ever. :3
Don't let the trolls get ya down!

[Kailea_Nagisa]

really show me how the list is misleading....... to make the item from scratch, if you had to go out and gather all of it, not buying a single thing, or having any help at all. that list and the class requirements listed are 100% accurate.

and that is the base of my argument, that is WAY to much crap for a level 16 item ONE item..........

To the OP, Kailea_Nagisa, I apologize if people, including myself, ~.~ are throwing your thread off topic. I will choose to ignore such inflammatory posts on this thread in he future. /bow
I would love to see this appreciation thread get back to where it was at the start. I hope SE knows that there are people out there who are thankful for their months of work and are willing to try out new systems to see if they're any good, before judging them. I look forward to the changes. It's gotten me more excited about crafting than ever. :3
Don't let the trolls get ya down!

oh no it is fine, the guy (and many like him) are annoying me as well with their "it was fine" BS

[Aeyis]

really show me how the list is misleading....... to make the item from scratch, if you had to go out and gather all of it, not buying a single thing, or having any help at all. that list and the class requirements listed are 100% accurate.

and that is the base of my argument, that is WAY to much crap for a level 16 item ONE item..........



oh no it is fine, the guy (and many like him) are annoying me as well with their "it was fine" BS

Do you actually read posts? And you tell me i post BS? xD
Never did i once say that i was fine with the entire way that the crafting system is.
I said that i wasnt fine with changes that did nothing to adress the actual problems with the systems, as did many others.

I actually did went out and get every single item needed to make (amongst others) a robe.
This was when my weaver and leatherworker were my only leveled crafts, and when my leatherworker wasnt high enough to craft the leatherworker components.

Now, ive actually done so, and yet you claim that im lying about the list? Even when others pointed out the same thing, going as far as showing you exactly what you are asking for; whats wrong with the list.

If you read mine or the others posts you would have realised that we did actually as you also did, make the item.
Unlike you and the poster above you however, we also noted that the items arent quite as many as you claim they are.


Ofcourse, unlike the both of you we also bother to read everything you post, without saying baseless things, degozaru~

To the OP, Kailea_Nagisa, I apologize if people, including myself, ~.~ are throwing your thread off topic. I will choose to ignore such inflammatory posts on this thread in he future. /bow
I would love to see this appreciation thread get back to where it was at the start. I hope SE knows that there are people out there who are thankful for their months of work and are willing to try out new systems to see if they're any good, before judging them. I look forward to the changes. It's gotten me more excited about crafting than ever. :3
Don't let the trolls get ya down!

I think its been a while since i seen a troll go ''the angel'' mode~
Even most trolls seem to have to high standards to go so low. ^^


Also since neither of you really read posts of people that disagree with you apparently, ill say it once more clearly (who knows, maybe this time youll read it?)

I have issues with the current crafting system. Crafting for a long time can get repetitive, while its no major thing for me i can well agree with and understand why many people dislike it, so i would agree with a change.
I have very major issues with certain crafts requiring materials far above the recipes level, and i would like to see it changed.
Summary: i have some serious issues with the current craft system.

Now you may notice that apart from the higher ranked items, none of the above was adressed in the changes. So i have little to be pleased about.

On the note if the amount of items needed for a single finished item, i concur that discussion is needed.
Overexagerration of the amount however, does not help either side.

If that doesnt help make clear my stance on things im here to answer any further questions you have degozaru~

Altho i should note Nabiri, myself and Delsus were having a rather constructive discussion going on before you interferred with your ''post'', so if you want to play a saint, make sure to do it like a proper saint~

[Aeyis]

really show me how the list is misleading

To give you a direct answer Nagisa, since i didnt answer it in my post above~
It shows every step of the process to create the final finished item.
In that sence the list is misleading because most of the items listed are in fact made as a manufacture process part of making that final finished item.
If you wanted to use that list to go out and gather you would find it impossible for many of the items, because they are made out of the items that you -do- gather.

For example it shows Yarn and Cloth.
However the Cloth is made out of Yarn, so the cloth has no place on that list (assuming it is a base material list*)

[darkstarpoet1]

I understand perfectly well that the list I posted WAS the list of items to start from scratch. ^-^ And I'm still unsure why that makes you so angry. How about this, you can blacklist me and not look at yg at all, and be ignorant to that silly robe. Trust me, you'll feel better. (And it might prevent a vicious, fury-fueled robe burning spree later!)

no once again this is misinformation. cotton cloth is not from scratch nor is yarn. those are products that are made off the raw materials. the raw materials needed to make an item "from scratch" are cotton bolls. as i pasted the materials you needed to make all of the parts besides the leather shoulder guards requires very few raw materials. even if you count those you only add a total of 5 materials.

you need a total of 6 cotton bolls in that synth to make every piece of cotton in the entire thing. if you want to say what you need to make the item from scratch then every individual cotton piece you list should be replaced with those 6 cotton bolls. i went through piece by piece and posted every material you will need to have when starting the synth and it is nowhere near the 37 item list you posted. it's closer to 11 so, yes, the list is full of misinformation.

[Kailea_Nagisa]

To give you a direct answer Nagisa, since i didnt answer it in my post above~
It shows every step of the process to create the final finished item.
In that sence the list is misleading because most of the items listed are in fact made as a manufacture process part of making that final finished item.
If you wanted to use that list to go out and gather you would find it impossible for many of the items, because they are made out of the items that you -do- gather.

For example it shows Yarn and Cloth.
However the Cloth is made out of Yarn, so the cloth has no place on that list (assuming it is a base material list*)

I see what you mean about the list, but that still does not say that the list is misleading (at least the link I posted, as it is in a tree format) but even if you ignore all the base items, and just count the items needed to make the robe itself, for a low level item, it is still to much. Now for a high level item like a rank 50 or something, I could see and would not mind needing 6-8 items to make something, but for a level 16 robe? no.....

Just to go back to the Red robe example, this is the base list.

Cotton Robe Back (Red)
Cotton Robe Front (Red)
Cotton Sleeves (Red)
Squirrel Fur Shoulder
Sheep Leather Strap
Cotton Yarn
Earth Shard x6

now if it was just this, honestly I would not mind. but then you have to think that each of these items are made from something as well.......

Cotton Yarn x4
Mesa-red Cotton Cloth x9
Mole-brown Hempen Cloth
Earth Shard x16
Wind Shard x9
Squirrel Fur
Sheep Leather Strap


now even before this list, you have to remember that all these items are made from stuff too -.-

This is what I am trying to get at, it took way to much to make just one item.

Now a lot of the things I had issues with are being solved just from the color revamp, I do feel that they might have gone a little to far with the reworking of recipes, but at the same time, they seem to want to simplify it first, then go back and ramp up higher levels, and that is fine by me.

[darkstarpoet1]

I see what you mean about the list, but that still does not say that the list is misleading (at least the link I posted, as it is in a tree format) but even if you ignore all the base items, and just count the items needed to make the robe itself, for a low level item, it is still to much. Now for a high level item like a rank 50 or something, I could see and would not mind needing 6-8 items to make something, but for a level 16 robe? no.....

yes, it is misleading in the fact that list says you need

cotton bolls
cotton yarn
cotton cloth

moko grass
hempen yarn
hempen cloth

to start the synth if you with to make the item from scratch. what you need is cotton bolls and moko grass. that's 2 items that turns into 6 and that is itself is misleading. if you want to talk about making an item from scratch then you can not say you need the starting and secondary parts at the same time. it doubles to triples the amount of items when you say you need to start off with.

i agree that alot of the lower level synths don't make much since as in a rank 10 weaver if they are just starting out they may not have armorer or leatherworker leveled at all, yet. to me anything that requires another class to make a part for should be left for higher level crafted items if they are not common items. in other words requiring a buffalo leather strap is ok, but needing leather shoulder guards is not. once you advance to higher levels i feel it is fine to have this type of item in the synth because by the time you have made it higher you are either able to do the other classes yourself or have made high level crafting friends that can.

[Kailea_Nagisa]

that is what I think (by yoshi's response) they are doing, for now they are simplifying things, then make the later synths more complex. This I would be totally fine with.

[Nabiri]

that is what I think (by yoshi's response) they are doing, for now they are simplifying things, then make the later synths more complex. This I would be totally fine with.

I hope they do find a way to make crafting more complex in later levels. It will be interesting to see what they come up with anyways. It should be something that keeps higher level people interested and crafting.
But 37 different items for one recipe is just a bit much. If they could even half that or something, that would be a great help I think.

Something simpler, like this..
Finished item
- Sub item #1
-- 3x materials (or less)
- Sub item #2
-- 3x materials (or less)
- Sub item #3
-- 3x materials (or less)
- Sub item #4
-- 3x materials (or less)

16 different items maximum, but not necessarily, as some of those materials may be repeated. I would feel this would be less of a strain. Far less materials to gather would be awesome. :3 Less running around, more crafting.

I would love to see SE make the system complex in ways that don't involve just having more items. Something creative to keep all those people complaining that crafting is boring entertained, and keep those who already have high levels happy.

I'm not worried about it either way. I have a good feeling SE will eventually make the a crafting system that pleases the majority of the player base.
However it ends up, I love crafting and will work with what we're given.