Thank you for the crafting changes

[Kailea_Nagisa]

no, i will do just like i have always done. i will get them done because i enjoy crafting. who are you to say people won't wait for you to make parts? most of the time they drop materials with me and tell me to get it done when i can and just get back with them when i am done. don't try to make assumptions that everyone would act like you would if you were having to wait in line.

what will you do if they being out new dungeons and it takes an hour to complete? are you going to help do them or are you gonna sit and complain it took too long?

the point was the ones that enjoy crafting enjoy it because of the complexity and the people hat like battle like it for their own reasons. you do not have full time crafters telling battle how they should gut their system to make it easier on them, but the ones that do battle want to do that to them.

This update is not cut and dry, crafting is not just having recipes removed and/or changed. Like combat, it is getting a complete over haul, one that will take more then an update or two. This is just step one, simplifying ingredients, then they will go into upping the complexity and difficultly for later level crafts, along with integrating materia and improve gathering as well.

[MariyaShidou]

completely ignored the part where I said "made from scratch" buying anything from NPCs or ward is not scratch -.-

Yes, because the point is that one does not have to start from scratch. Just like the example of people complained most gears come from crafting, and the big news is you can buy it instead of crafting!

How can you expect crafts to control the game economy if they are too busy trying to find 20-30 items to make one piece of armor?

What happens when 10 of your LS members need full sets of gear to start working on Materia? " Oh hang on for 5 hours while i prepare parts to make all the gear." Ya, that won't fly. Then when people see all the sexy materia your LS mates are making they will come to you with tons of orders for gear. Then what do you do?! I bet then you will wish you had an easier crafting system so you can bang out gear in no time and be rolling in gil!

=P

As if there aren't enough R50 gears coming around already? People already stop making gears because the market is oversaturated, not because of the "complicated" parts. When there is demand, there will be supply.

[Zangetsu]

Yes, because the point is that one does not have to start from scratch. Just like the example of people complained most gears come from crafting, and the big news is you can buy it instead of crafting!



As if there aren't enough R50 gears coming around already? People already stop making gears because the market is oversaturated, not because of the "complicated" parts. When there is demand, there will be supply.

There wont be saturation of gear once thousands of people are turning them into Materia.

[Nabiri]

Funny story is your list shows things as cotton bolls which can be replaced by yarn, given that their only function the recipe is to make yarn.
Most of the alchemist materials are required in those instances when a) you are to lazy to just buy the item from a npc, b) dont want to find the items the easy way but rather craft it yourself.

I'm sure theres plenty of people here who barely touched weaver but can condense that huge bloated immense list of garbage you posted into perhaps a dozen items, including sup crafts.
I'd do it, but your post is to full of fail for me to want to touch it..

Oh right, but let me give you one extra nail for your coffin.

If you were to make 5 of those robes, it would be a lot faster, given that most of the required materials may take a while to make, but are however produced in multiples. (a single craft of a leather strap would be enough for 12 robes) Given that you just made the majority of those materials in large enough quantities for your 5 robes, youd just have to make the 2-3 components required again, which makes the craft for each further item take about 5 minutes.

tl;dr
you dont know anything about crafting as your list above shows, and you also failed your basic english summary skills.
Come back when youve improved on these skills and can condense your list into something more in tune with how it really is, ie less modifying it to prove your point.

That's funny.. I thought it would have been obvious to anyone here that these are the items that are needed for this recipe for those who would start from scratch. But thanks for pointing that out for those who may not have noticed somehow. O.o

I don't think anyone was saying or implying that you couldn't go out and buy items or parts to jump ahead and finish this faster, (that is.. if you could find the needed materials/parts for sale).

Some people like to start from scratch. You don't like to? Fine. No one said they had a problem with you. I don't understand where your confrontational attitude is coming from over the fact that this recipe takes so many items to make from scratch.

I didn't create this recipe, so I'm confused about your need to take out anger (or whatever it may be) on me.
That "huge bloated immense list of garbage" I posted was something SE created, not myself. Take it up with them if it makes you upset enough to verbally attack someone.

"My" .. lol .. Again, you make it sound like I created this.. The list above has nothing to do with what I know about crafting. It's is just a full list of items that one recipe requires starting from scratch.
And I'm not sure what you thought I was summarizing.. I was only putting down my thoughts, not writing an essay. O.o But if you take pleasure in attacking people on a personal level, go right ahead. Shows what kind of person you are for the whole forum to see. :3

"Come back" you say? Oh not to worry, I'm not going anywhere. :3
"condense your list"? The point of posting the list was to show all the different items needed in that particular recipe from scratch. Condensing it would be misleading. I wouldn't want to confuse anyone.
Condensing the list wouldn't be from scratch now would it?
Ironic how you ask me to modify the list to make it shorter and at the same time accuse me of modifying it when I never did. :3

I was NOT posting misinformation. I posted what I said I would. The number of individual items in the recipe. Nothing more, nothing less. ^^

[Aeyis]

That's funny.. I thought it would have been obvious to anyone here that these are the items that are needed for this recipe for those who would start from scratch. But thanks for pointing that out for those who may not have noticed somehow. O.o

I don't think anyone was saying or implying that you couldn't go out and buy items or parts to jump ahead and finish this faster, (that is.. if you could find the needed materials/parts for sale).

Some people like to start from scratch. You don't like to? Fine. No one said they had a problem with you. I don't understand where your confrontational attitude is coming from over the fact that this recipe takes so many items to make from scratch.

I didn't create this recipe, so I'm confused about your need to take out anger (or whatever it may be) on me.
That "huge bloated immense list of garbage" I posted was something SE created, not myself. Take it up with them if it makes you upset enough to verbally attack someone.

"My" .. lol .. Again, you make it sound like I created this.. The list above has nothing to do with what I know about crafting. It's is just a full list of items that one recipe requires starting from scratch.
And I'm not sure what you thought I was summarizing.. I was only putting down my thoughts, not writing an essay. O.o But if you take pleasure in attacking people on a personal level, go right ahead. Shows what kind of person you are for the whole forum to see. :3

"Come back" you say? Oh not to worry, I'm not going anywhere. :3
"condense your list"? The point of posting the list was to show all the different items needed in that particular recipe from scratch. Condensing it would be misleading. I wouldn't want to confuse anyone.
Condensing the list wouldn't be from scratch now would it?
Ironic how you ask me to modify the list to make it shorter and at the same time accuse me of modifying it when I never did. :3

I was NOT posting misinformation. I posted what I said I would. The number of individual items in the recipe. Nothing more, nothing less. ^^

You mentioned starting from scratch and then proceeded to copy paste the entire crafting tree from yg without bothering to even look at what you just copied.

That entire list you posted has every single step in the process of crafting that final item in it.
Now tell me, whoever starts at scratch with the final components, middle components and early components all ready at start?

Yes i realised you ment from scratch, so did all the others that responded to you in fact.
It does seem that you just dont understand that the list you posted was not the materials need to start from stratch...
That's not called condensing, its called sumarising it to show the actual amount of items needed if one were to start from scratch.
You used your list of 37 items to refer to inventory blogging, when in reality if you were to start from scratch youd only need a dozen items orso.~

If you dont know about misinformation i suggest you google the defination and i think youll find it quite in tune with your list of 37 items.

Im not sure where you get the anger from xD but whatever.
Yes im being confrontational, but as someone who has always prided himself in helping out new players i take offense when people take such an obvious jab at trying to spread misinformation for their own perceived gain.~
Just cuz you want the system different doesnt mean you have to stoop so low you know?

[Delsus]

Bone Harpoon Head - Goldsmith (12)
Maple Spear Shaft - Carpenter (10)
Bone Harpoon Butt - Goldsmith (1)
Bronze Spear Clasp - Blacksmith (1)
Animal Glue - Alchemist (5)

yep all classes to 50 you say? the highest you would have to be on any class is r7 to make any of the parts and you can get there by doing one local leve. the final synth

Harpoon - Carpenter (10)

if you can't take the time to do one set of local to get the required levels to make the gear then you don't need to be crafting in the first place.

That was only what I made and it is a low rank weapon, but it discouraged me. What about Dodore doublet http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Dodore_Doublet

mats are leather r45
and armorcraft r40

The craft for the doublet is r48 leather, so to make that one piece it can take months of craft ginding just to get those 2 crafts up, then what about when you want other pieces as well that means more crafts need ranking.

So if you wanna make 1 set of gear for your rank 50 on your own you do need all crafts high rank which is more tedious than it needs to be.

Difficulty = using the right options not forcing you to rank all crafts over months to rank 50.
Yes it is high rank piece, that you need things from a NM to make but it still needs other high rank syths to be done first, having to rank multiple crafts just to make one piece is not increasing difficulty, it is making it more tedious.

[Aeyis]

How can you expect crafts to control the game economy if they are too busy trying to find 20-30 items to make one piece of armor?

What happens when 10 of your LS members need full sets of gear to start working on Materia? " Oh hang on for 5 hours while i prepare parts to make all the gear." Ya, that won't fly. Then when people see all the sexy materia your LS mates are making they will come to you with tons of orders for gear. Then what do you do?! I bet then you will wish you had an easier crafting system so you can bang out gear in no time and be rolling in gil!

=P

You know how people tend to control an economy? By producing wanted items in mass.
You know the funny thing about most of the materials used in finished items?
They are made in quantity (3-12 being but an example range).
You want to know the best part? If you were to mass producing most finished items?
Every single craft after the first tends to take much less time since you just made most of the materials needed...


Moral of the story:
if you consider it to much time to make one item, okay theres a point there albeit a debatable one (value over easy of producing).
If your talking about about economy and selling however, go get some economic experience, either theoretical or in practice, because obv you dont know what your talking about.

Unless ofcourse you npced 11/12 of those straps you just made for your finished item, in that case i can understand how you would have the need to make new straps.

[Aeyis]

That was only what I made and it is a low rank weapon, but it discouraged me. What about Dodore doublet http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Dodore_Doublet

mats are leather r45
and armorcraft r40

The craft for the doublet is r48 leather, so to make that one piece it can take months of craft ginding just to get those 2 crafts up, then what about when you want other pieces as well that means more crafts need ranking.

So if you wanna make 1 set of gear for your rank 50 on your own you do need all crafts high rank which is more tedious than it needs to be.

Difficulty = using the right options not forcing you to rank all crafts over months to rank 50.
Yes it is high rank piece, that you need things from a NM to make but it still needs other high rank syths to be done first, having to rank multiple crafts just to make one piece is not increasing difficulty, it is making it more tedious.

Apart from a few rare crafts, it tends to be shortage of materials/components on the markets (due to low retainer bazaar spots) that makes such items hard to craft, not ''having to rank up other classes to 50''

I dunno about you, but even in wow i often had to get materials off the AH in order to level my crafting..
Hell, with the ways the gathering job there were tied into leveling crafting you pretty much had to live in the AH in order to be able to level at all. (unless you enjoyed maxing gathering professions and grinding~)

Now imagine what it would be like if the items you needed werent to be found on the ah?

[Delsus]

Apart from a few rare crafts, it tends to be shortage of materials/components on the markets (due to low retainer bazaar spots) that makes such items hard to craft, not ''having to rank up other classes to 50''

I dunno about you, but even in wow i often had to get materials off the AH in order to level my crafting..
Hell, with the ways the gathering job there were tied into leveling crafting you pretty much had to live in the AH in order to be able to level at all. (unless you enjoyed maxing gathering professions and grinding~)

Now imagine what it would be like if the items you needed werent to be found on the ah?

Unless I have the craft high enough to make a mat, I will buy them from the MWs, but this is not profitable if your doing it to make money, and you need to make/gather/buy from NPC.

Most of the time (as far as I know) people will make thier own gear for HQs, which is cheaper when you make them, but only going for HQs will not make money if you buy from the wards because of the random factor currently in crafting HQs because of this it could take alot of crafts to get the HQ, so the thing to do is sell the NQs to make money back but as I say you will be loosing money from that which is why people will still want to craft the mats, all the money they get is profit and they get the HQ gear they want so they are killing two birds with one stone.

As I say though personnaly I buy mats when I can but I know people that prefer to gather/farm/craft the mats which is who I am talking about.

Sorry if the post is a lil hard to read.

[Aeyis]

Might be its different when your only making finished items at rank 50 for the gil, shrug. I see your point there.~
Dunno if they plan on actuall dumbing down crafting at that rank tho, they might even make it more complex/harder.
Still, you dont have to make max rank items for selling, theres plenty of profitable things to make that are lower rank.

And hey, you use small sentences even less then i do. xD