Pay for your inventory.

[Neuflune]

Like I said before, even free to play games don't make you subscribe to your bank space.

Allods Online.

Bags in the cash shop if you want a larger inventory.

[lololink]

Allods Online.

Bags in the cash shop if you want a larger inventory.

Subscribe =/= buy.

[Adire]

Nope, still saying "nahhh". And still don't mind.

Good for you

I wish I was made of enough money to be so loose with my spending as to not care about obvious cash grabs being introduced to a favorite game of a favorite hobby. But if you are, more power to you! Hopefully SE won't ever push your limits like they're pushing the limits of many people already.

[mbncd]

I have always been loudy against the retainer rental idea from the start, but as an omni crafter+gatherer and with various melee classes in different level ranges (so needing individual gear) I gave in and rented my 2 extras. This latest retainer rental announcement really annoyed me though.

The problem isn't the monthly cost, at least in my opinion. A lot of players spend more than $30 a month on junk they don't need.

The problem is that MMO's are designed to keep players paying for the long haul. Even if they charged a flat out fee of $20 per retainer, that would still be cheaper than renting them for $1 a month for a lot of people. Heck, plenty of people play the same game for over a decade. That's $120 for just a single retainer, let alone the people who will be getting 6 of the paid things... There is honestly no end to the nickel and diming in a rental scheme and they just keep adding up. I don't like that at all...

If they want to charge for retainers, I think they should have a buy option instead of (or even as well as) a rental option. Sure, some people might not use a bought retainer for 20 months (or the equivalent to however much they choose to charge for it) and those people may lose out if buying is the only option, but selling instead of renting rewards long term loyalty instead of punishing it, and if both systems are employed then everyone benefits. SE gets plenty of money too.

[SDaemon]

Good for you

I wish I was made of enough money to be so loose with my spending as to not care about obvious cash grabs being introduced to a favorite game of a favorite hobby. But if you are, more power to you! Hopefully SE won't ever push your limits like they're pushing the limits of many people already.

You assume and exaggerate far to much

[Neuflune]

Subscribe =/= buy.

"free to play games" don't make you subscribe to anything, that's why it's "free to play". The equivalent to subscribing for P2P would be microtransactions (buying) for F2P.

Edit:

I agree with the suggestion to actually buy the retainer instead of renting it, if SE insists on having the players pay for extra retainers.

[Adire]

You assume and exaggerate far to much

Care to elaborate ?

We've got a cash shop that is steadily being expanded, with a considerable expansion to it now coming in the form of even more retainers, which actually have functionality, no assumptions or exaggerations there.

We've got a supposedly massive expansion coming up with very little done to deal with the already problematic storage problems other than asking us to potentially double our sub fee to solve the problem.

We're playing an already subscription based game, when other games (such as even some f2p ones) deal with this problem in better ways, when a subscription game SHOULD be dealing with these types of problems in a more satisfactory way.

Not assuming anything here, and not exaggerating! Just going off the information the OP referenced, straight from SE themselves!

[Callinon]

"free to play games" don't make you subscribe to anything, that's why it's "free to play". The equivalent to subscribing for P2P would be microtransactions (buying) for F2P.

In fact no, there are free-to-play games out there that include monthly rental items as part of their cash shop. Usually costumes, occasionally weapons.. depends on the game. However as you've correctly pointed out, these games have no attached subscription fee. I've never seen one that rented bank space. It probably exists now that I think about it because there are approximately infinite free-to-play games out there, so the law of large numbers comes into play.

FFXIV is not a free-to-play game.

Since FFXIV has a subscription fee attached to it, there's a certain expectation of what you're supposed to be getting. So when I say that not even a f2p game does this, it doesn't mean that it's a really cool idea and a sub game should do it. It means that even a game that doesn't have a guaranteed regular income from every one of its players doesn't stoop to this.

[IceWing]

There needs to be one or two more free retainers, or a bundle/discount for buying all 6 retainers. And not some bs discount like $1 off the entirety of the purchase, but $0.30-$1.00 off of each retainer

I'd even be willing to do a one off payment such as $20-$25 per retainer for life....

[SDaemon]

Not assuming anything here, and not exaggerating! Just going off the information the OP referenced, straight from SE themselves!

You grossly assumed my financial situation and you are exaggerating with your slippery slope paranoia.