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    lololink's Avatar
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    Nel Artux
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    Quote Originally Posted by Callinon View Post
    At most you're looking at an object that contains:
    itemId, quantity, dye, aetherialStats[5], aetherialValues[5], materiaId[5], signature, spiritbond, condition
    That's where SE is really making a mistake, if they add a skin book or something like that you would be able to store much more items since you would only retain the ItemID number and remove all the other datas, creating much much more space for vanity.
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    Katarh Mest
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    Lamia
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    Warrior Lv 100
    I also wanted to mention, for those who didn't play FFXI, that your storage and extra AH slots were additional characters in that game (known as mules) and each one cost $1 extra on top of your sub fee. Retainers became a thing because SE realized that's what we were doing, so even in 1.0 they just went ahead and gave you one to start. (And you had to physically place them in the game so people could examine them, until they fixed that with the market ward search engine. 1.0 was broken as heck...)

    Thus, SE charging for additional storage space and additional slots on the AH is nothing new to the XI veterans.
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    Last edited by Catwho; 06-18-2015 at 01:27 AM.

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    Koe Kazham
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catwho View Post
    I also wanted to mention, for those who didn't play FFXI,
    If we're gonna compare to XI's inventory, then they need to have a ton more space for items per character. The starting inventory was lower for sure, although could be increased greatly over time, same with MH bank, then added the Aht Urhgan bank. Then they added what, two or three extra satchel/bags that equal your main bags current gobbie bag expansion. Add on the fact the items in your MH were more than show, they each held a specific amount of storage. Top it off with numerous NPCs in the cities, typically Jeuno, that held your gear sets for slips, which typically reside in your key items without clogging space.

    As far as materia/SB data, would be the same as signed items in XI that get put into NPC storage, erased down to basic item. The only advantage that couldn't be expanded upon would be the AH, which even after I quit I believe they expanded more from the original 7(?) limit. So in the end, you seriously didn't need that many extra characters for mules. I personally had two extra characters, both of which were alts and not bank stores - with each holding their own gear sets.

    Edit: Oh also forgot that "wardrobe" or something-another that came out after I was gone, which stored a ton of stuff.
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    Last edited by Sho86; 06-18-2015 at 01:42 AM.

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    Pugilist Lv 60
    There needs to be one or two more free retainers, or a bundle/discount for buying all 6 retainers. And not some bs discount like $1 off the entirety of the purchase, but $0.30-$1.00 off of each retainer
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida View Post
    Personal Housing
    While I cannot give a specific date on when personal housing will be implemented, I can say that prices will be completely separate from free company housing, and, naturally, far more affordable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IceWing View Post
    There needs to be one or two more free retainers, or a bundle/discount for buying all 6 retainers. And not some bs discount like $1 off the entirety of the purchase, but $0.30-$1.00 off of each retainer
    I'd even be willing to do a one off payment such as $20-$25 per retainer for life....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida View Post
    Personal Housing
    While I cannot give a specific date on when personal housing will be implemented, I can say that prices will be completely separate from free company housing, and, naturally, far more affordable.

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    Faust Eisenhart
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    Quote Originally Posted by IceWing View Post
    I'd even be willing to do a one off payment such as $20-$25 per retainer for life....
    I agree. I mean, I don't want to pay for more space when it's becoming more rapidly necessary and I think people need one more retainer for free considering the influx of new items, I would have paid for an additional retainer when it first came out if it was just one flat fee. I don't have to make continuous payments for anything else on the mog station- and I really hate the idea of a bolted-on service being added to monthly payments.

    Quote Originally Posted by SDaemon View Post
    You grossly assumed my financial situation and you are exaggerating with your slippery slope paranoia.
    You're still making assumptions and not offering any actual insight back. You certainly didn't elaborate; you just used a logical fallacy, slick.

    https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

    Try again.
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    Koala Shibito
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atlaworks View Post
    You're still making assumptions and not offering any actual insight back. You certainly didn't elaborate; you just used a logical fallacy, slick.
    LOL What?

    Did you read what they wrote? They are assuming I have the money to splurged on this simply because I don't mind it. That isn't a straw-man argument on my part to say they are making assumptions. Actually know what is going on before you comment, kthnx?

    Also calling out someones use of a slipper slop argument as their support isn't a strawman.
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    Last edited by SDaemon; 06-18-2015 at 01:39 AM.

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    Faust Eisenhart
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    Quote Originally Posted by SDaemon View Post
    Snip.
    Yes, I did. Do two wrongs make a right? I just happen to dislike your snarky personal attacks as response other than actual information. That's what a strawman is: you misrepresented an argument to make it easier to attack. Then attacked it. I did leave a helpful link for you, if you need a better explanation- and please, try to tone down the sass. It doesn't help your credibility at all.

    On topic- I would prefer at least for retainers to be a flat fee rather than a monthly thing, but one free one should be implemented, I feel, simply because the growing amount of items added by this patch in addition to what we already have is slowly pushing our capacities over the edge as is. It's called an optional service for a reason.
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    Lillia Hope
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    White Mage Lv 100
    I personally found my own solution to this
    • I'm going to toss out my lvl 15 or whatever lvl armor I don't use or like to glamour as I can farm old dungeons with others I know now or by myself for gears which narrows it down a ton.
    • I personally don't keep glamour cubes on me because they are craftable and very easy to make at that so I'll keep the mats I have to make them which is also less than keeping every version of every cube.
    • I don't really keep dyes either because once I find a dye color/outfit set I like, it's normally one I stick with for a while besides like cubes some are craftable.

    ^ Solution found and I'm not too shaken on new mats because idk how many will even be added or actually used in craftings. Nor do I know how many currents will be as relevant or as hard to get as they are to date. I'll manage although a new retainer would of been nice, I'm not gonna cry over it.
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    Last edited by Lillia; 06-18-2015 at 12:48 AM.

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    Iam Groot
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    Leviathan
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    Warrior Lv 60
    They have already addressed this issue, they can either have you pay for the extra server space you are taking up.
    Or you can have roll backs on your character when you disconnect and lose items ect ect. (the currently backup data like every 15 seconds, which is pretty insane)

    They could also just not offer any extra retainers, and then what would you do?
    Can't please everyone.
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