So who is NOT getting Heavensward?!

[TitaniaZero]

If you are at or above the maximum level for a given expansion, killing creatures from that expansion's zones will only give 10% of normal experience. Quests will continue to give their standard EXP, or gold for level-capped players. - From the World of Warcraft Wiki.

So, yes... you still earn experience points from quests normally and while mob kills are reduced in XP it's not zero. Thus it IS possible to level up outside of expansions.

Regardless, the two aren't even comparable because, as mentoned, the level cap rise is locked in world of warcraft without the expansion. It is not locked here.

Uhm... Revising... Misread.

Edit: Well are you sure its not Locked? Are you getting HW? If not then you can prove it. If not... well I can't prove it because this... is FFXIV's first ...uh true expac. (Unless you count ARR... but that is an aberration of MMO history anyway. XD)

[Nadirah]

Let me reverse that question by asking you which MMO's you've played which have? Seriously, I've never heard of a game which raises the level cap past it's current level then decides not to allow people in the earlier areas to level up. Experience is experience, no matter where it's earned. There's literally no reason why the level 50 dungeons shouldn't provide experience other than out of spite for not buying the expansion.

Now, if the entire level 60 had been gated off through an Ishgard quest, maybe it would be different. Incidentally, FFXI didn't gate level rises behind expansions either. Once the level cap was raised, the quest was available to anyone, expansion or not. The expansions added plenty of nice areas to get XP faster, sure, but you could still earn XP at the maximum level in earlier zones.

WoW, EQ, EQ2, Rift, Even Diablo 2 and 3.

[Lemuria]

Uhh... isn't this the same as heavensward? You don't buy the expansion, you don't have the ability to level up...

No. Everyone will automatically have their maximum level raised to 60, expansion or not. They're only restricting where you can earn experience. Basically, if you do level-capped content (level 49 or so) you'll earn experience points like you would normally. The current level 50 dungeons don't award experience since they're level 50 and the devs basically did a lazy and didn't add experience to these dungeons.

[seida]

No. Everyone will automatically have their maximum level raised to 60, expansion or not. They're only restricting where you can earn experience. Basically, if you do level-capped content (level 49 or so) you'll earn experience points like you would normally. The current level 50 dungeons don't award experience since they're level 50 and the devs basically did a lazy and didn't add experience to these dungeons.

Do you have source? I'm pretty sure they said you can level to 60 without needing to do story... but you still need heavensward.

[Lillia]

No. Everyone will automatically have their maximum level raised to 60, expansion or not. They're only restricting where you can earn experience. Basically, if you do level-capped content (level 49 or so) you'll earn experience points like you would normally. The current level 50 dungeons don't award experience since they're level 50 and the devs basically did a lazy and didn't add experience to these dungeons.

Has it actually been confirmed if people will be able to level up to 60 without the expansion? I don't recall seeing that anywhere yet by devs or sources. Not calling you a liar as you could of read it somewhere, I do not recall any of that being confirmed though.

[Nadirah]

Lemuria, yes, you can get xp in old areas. Old quests in ARR will give xp, dungeons will not...

But just like in wow, for example, if you do not buy Warlords of Draenor, you can *not* level past 90 in *any* zone.

[Lemuria]

Do you have source? I'm pretty sure they said you can level to 60 without needing to do story... but you still need heavensward.

Hmm, good point. I'm sure I read it in a live letter somewhere but I might have been mistaken. Again, I'm fine if it's actually locked off through the expansion. I just don't like the idea of 'open door' content which no one can access.

That said, I still hate the idea of not earning experience in the level 50 dungeons for several reasons. Firstly, new players who already have Heavensward are going to be stuck at level 50 for quite some time playing through the story. Between Castrum and 2.55 there's a whole heap of not-leveling going on, which will inevitably become more frustrating than fun. And, again, I reiterate my previous point that it renders all previous content obsolete. SE really need to get out of this planned obsolesce cycle. We've seen it twice before with the tomes changing on us, older gear being made irrelevant, and with dungeons being relegated to 'hard mode' roulette, which is now a list longer than my arm.

For people who already meet the HW requirements, this probably doesn't bother them, but the long term impact will be felt and that's where most of my concern lies.

Also, to reiterate for those who weren't paying attention -- I already have my HW pre-order. I've already beaten 2.55, so none of this directly affects me. I'm specifically concerned about the game experience as a whole. Drawing a clear dividing line between expansion and non-expansion content inevitably leads to everyone being in one expansion area and the rest of the game being a desert. I've seen this happen with Final Fantasy XI, and it needs to be addressed or the same will happen here.

[Natashio]

More a reason to believe that SE will pull a WoW and throw an instant level 50 in the cash shop after a year or 3 patches into the expansion.

[Nadirah]

MSQ will give xp.

Dungeons will not.

You'll get xp from everything but mobs in dungeons, roulette likely included.

They want you leveling in hw content though.

[Lillia]

MSQ will give xp.

Dungeons will not.

You'll get xp from everything but mobs in dungeons, roulette likely included.

They want you leveling in hw content though.

Actually MSQ will give double exp.