I am infuriated and in tears, about to quit again

[Lillia]

If we had the tools to deal with this issue, this thread would not exist and this situation would not be so common for people. Why vote to bring someone in? Because 2 hands are still better than one, even if you only actually need one.

I am comprehending that actually. That's why I said it's no one's fault in many cases.

Though I do agree with you there, the OP should be rolling bard if he wants a serious chance at getting bard gear.

Or another solution, run with a pre-made on the agreements that if the drop does drop then it's yours.

[Adire]

Does not matter one bit. You wasted that persons queue. That is just as annoying as losing a drop. Some queues, especially dps ones can take forever. Once again, your choice, your gamble. Also, the troll abuse that would come from your solution, especially in 24 man content... well, the skys the limit.

You could say the same thing for queuing in progress. It's a gamble. You may very well end up joining in right after the loot crate with the loot you want in it is opened. Then your queue was still wasted. When you queue, you queue for an instance. You don't get an option to queue in-progress for one specific point in a duty. So by queuing in progress you are saying "I want to get into the dungeon, and know I may get in after the boss I actually need." You can fault one person for taking that gamble more than you can fault 23 people wanting to see if anyone is willing to join in progress, knowing they are gambling by doing so.

Also, troll solution is already in the game: 15 seconds to get inside. If you're keeping up with the group, you cannot be locked out by a troll.

[DreadRabbit]

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Again, we agree to disagree. If OP honestly felt the healer on his team wasn't doing his/her share, he could have spoke up about it before the boss that had his wanted loot. We don't know if he did or not. Never will.

There's always going to be jerk players, and I do honestly feel for OP. Been in that position in other games. Heck, many times the healer isn't paying attention and I'm healing on BLM, yet it's still the healer that gets the commendation or thanks. But you shrug, move on, try again.

[Allyrion]

I think if you joined while an encounter already has locked gates, you should be ineligible for loot.
That's not a punishment or anything, because you might well have joined after the encounter finished.
You shouldn't get to roll just cause you got lucky joining before the loot got handed out.

But I also think you should be eligible for loot in every other case.
That includes if you joined and then they pulled before waiting for you to get there.
Or a new player was watching a cinematic and they started without them.

[Lillia]

Also, troll solution is already in the game: 15 seconds to get inside. If you're keeping up with the group, you cannot be locked out by a troll.

You keep saying that, what if the person comes in after the pull and notice was made? Then what? There's not a 100% chance of that not being done or someone just having a pure awful PC that loads slow. Of course these are situations made convenient to this situation but to strike the point that if it did happen like this by chance then the unlucky would still be punished for the impatient.

[nuyu11]

Always whining instead of keep trying...

And btw time is gold, that's why people always rushing.
From my perspective it's not that long to wait all others coming in then start together.

[Kiara1]

These things happen and you just have to live with it and keep farming.
Monk chest finally dropped for me in WoD when I was on dragoon. So I greed rolled, and only one more person rolled.
That person didn't even have pugilist unlocked and won the chest. I don't think you can turn in wod gear for gc seals, so not sure what that person is gonna do with the chestpiece that I wanted so bad

Some luck though, it dropped again next run and I rolled highest on greed

[Lillia]

These things happen and you just have to live with it and keep farming.
Monk chest finally dropped for me in WoD when I was on dragoon. So I greed rolled, and only one more person rolled.
That person didn't even have pugilist unlocked and won the chest. I don't think you can turn in wod gear for gc seals, so not sure what that person is gonna do with the chestpiece that I wanted so bad

Some luck though, it dropped again next run and I rolled highest on greed

Congrats.

[Adire]

Again, we agree to disagree. If OP honestly felt the healer on his team wasn't doing his/her share, he could have spoke up about it before the boss that had his wanted loot. We don't know if he did or not. Never will.

We do know this happened:

However I just had a match where I solo healed through most of the dungeon and then someone joined when the boss was at 10% health and they greed rolled me for it and they got it over me. The chest piece I've been farming nonstop for.

The OP could not have kicked him due to a fight in progress and then due to loot being rolled on. The OP could have asked the person not to roll, though that's no guarantee they won't. If the OP was busy fighting, he may not have even had time to ask before the loot chest was opened and it was rolled on. OP did not have a chance to speak up to the person who joined in-progess prior to the boss with the loot he wanted, because the boss was almost dead when the person joined.

Loot chests are often opened immediately upon boss death, which by then, chances are it was too late for the OP to do anything.

You keep saying that, what if the person comes in after the pull and notice was made? Then what? There's not a 100% chance of that not being done or someone just having a pure awful PC that loads slow. Of course these are situations made convenient to this situation but to strike the point that if it did happen like this by chance then the unlucky would still be punished for the impatient.

That situation is no one's intentional fault, unless someone in the alliance is clair voyant and can see the future and know when exactly someone is going to join in-progress. I've been in many alliances that waited 5 or so minutes for a replacement, pulled, and then one joined in after. Would you consider that the alliance's fault, or the person who joined in-progress's fault? I lean towards the latter, because 1 person taking a huge risk of not getting what they want is more to blame if they don't get what they want than 23 people are for allowing someone the option to queue in knowing they may not get queued in at the most convenient time. And a slow PC? That's unfortunate, but it's silly to use that as reasoning. I think it's been well established in the gaming community that holding everyone back to help slow PC users isn't the best course of action. In the end, if you don't have time to get to the boss area, chances are the boss was pulled before you were even in the instance. No one should be faulted for that. If anyone should be, it should be the person who queued in-progress. Because they know ahead of time that they may or may not end up at the point where they want to be, but know that the other people in the raid would like to have them help.

Edit: Until SE adds an option to queue for certain loot chests, people are in practice signing up to finish instances, not get specific gear.

Only allowing you to roll on things you've contributed for would be much more fair payment for all based on effort. That's not punishment: That's fair payment for work. It's how most things in the world work. And who knows, maybe SE could also extend the lockout timer a bit if this system was implemented.

[Reinha]

Think about how much more time groups spend in an encounter than running between them. With the mentioned loot limitations you could only have a chance at loot if you join at the precise moment when the group had just killed a boss and started running. Any other time and you're locked out. If you happen to be put in at the last boss either mid fight or just as they are pulling it would be really unfair as you wouldn't get to roll on anything at all.

When you stop rewarding people for queuing up, they stop doing it. It's not rocket science. I will be among the people never queuing in progress if this was to be implemented. Think about that the next time you are stuck without a tank or healer.