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  1. #351
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    Shougun's Avatar
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    There exists doesn't really mean much, imo. For either direction. It seems to be a popular response, mainly on the why to have, but I suppose it could be the either way. There exists skimpy costumes (or one gendered) does not mean there should or should not be more, as much as it just means there has been. It doesn't change people's feelings if they dislike that sort of thing already. "I don't like pink for this case, please keep this red as the male version" "there exists pink female costumes - your concern is silly, besides I like pink costumes", at least the first part of the rebuttal means little and second part just a differing opinion.

    Also I'm not sure why the gear that is most protective appears to be considered masculine, I feel like that is a sign that we've really failed to know about armor or equality/strength of females. Boob caves and body windows would never be on real armor, unless you wanted to die. I don't say that to mean showing more of the female body doesn't exaggerate them being "female", but that female armor would lack both of these qualities and appear very similar to male armor.Certainly this game is not purely based on real life rules but there are purposes and lines to reality, affirmed by the clear theme of tank's generally more visually protective armor being more protective statistically. A few armors may have features specific for the males, just as extra visual decoration, but females wearing armor as armor then should not be called females in masculine armor... Regarding armor as armor the request for feminine armor is just the same as requesting armor for males. Rather should say I want "un-armor" lol, or "sexy costume armor".

    SE mostly has equal opportunity bad "realistic" decisions, costumes with themes, generally. Which is the best sort of "costume" armor. However, armor changes like Dragoon's armor will always make me shake my head, on a different level. Women should be able to wear armor known as 'armor', and it should stop being called male armor - that's silly. Women should be able to look fierce and strong like a male may appear, be an impervious boss steamroller, and while it isn't my personal preference if there is to be sexy armor then men should be able to look fabulously sexy too - in a similar way. To have them seperate, especially when one is in closer form to what someone would reasonably wear and the other one is just shy of calling for seppuku. . Orz. Equal opportunity Mijin Gakure, that's all.

    Out of the consistency they've made so far with tank armors (the most "armor" of armors), the feedback made for Dragoon's AF1 and that AF2 doesn't have the window, I feel fairly confident they won't make one side look like they were a few straps missing and a few screws loose compared their counterpart. Also knowing SE I can't imagine them not making some sexy time armor in the future for both genders, they can't help themselves .
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    Last edited by Shougun; 06-11-2015 at 04:35 PM.

  2. #352
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    Skadi Felis
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    Quote Originally Posted by Samcaesar View Post
    At least the dude's DRG AF doesn't have a massive open weakspot. It's not a matter of saying "Make the girl's version of the coliseum set like actual armor!" it's "Hey this armor looks like it has a horrid gaping weakspot that's asking for dragons to gnaw there, why don't the guys have it if the girl's do?"
    A dragon can eat a DRG with one bite, with or without a covered belly

    https://youtu.be/dcVSLjvi6W0?t=259
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    Last edited by Felis; 06-11-2015 at 05:02 PM.

  3. #353
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felis View Post
    A dragon can eat a DRG with one bite, with or without a covered belly
    Maybe one like Vishap, but those one in the heavensward trailer looked like they had some issues fitting Dragons in their maws, and they seem to be the general force in the Dravanian horde. Chances are the reason why the DRG AF armor has all the spikes and blades on it are to deter dragons from just chomping on down, at least not without getting a mouth full of blood and a torn up throat. Either way, big open spot means easy stabby stabby.
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  4. #354
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    Anarista Tarnyang
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    DRK AF should just a bra for lawl. People still don't get it that a JP game will be more geared to JP taste than NA/EU taste. Who cares what it looks like as long as it's providing survivability.
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  5. #355
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    Quote Originally Posted by Samcaesar View Post
    Maybe one like Vishap, but those one in the heavensward trailer looked like they had some issues fitting Dragons in their maws, and they seem to be the general force in the Dravanian horde. Chances are the reason why the DRG AF armor has all the spikes and blades on it are to deter dragons from just chomping on down, at least not without getting a mouth full of blood and a torn up throat. Either way, big open spot means easy stabby stabby.
    Did you not seen how a DRG jumped with Elusive Jump direct in the maw of a dragon behind him in the trailer? ^^
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  6. #356
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felis View Post
    Did you not seen how a DRG jumped with Elusive Jump direct in the maw of a dragon behind him in the trailer? ^^
    No greater weak spot than carving out the belly of a beast. DRG are damn insane and possibly nigh suicidal considering they train to fight dragons as a chosen enemy. So being eaten is something that is possibly planned? The razor sharp spines, spikes, and spurs on the DRG probably mean that even in the event of death and being eaten they will be taking the dragon with them.
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  7. #357
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    Quote Originally Posted by FallenArisen0990 View Post
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    I'm pretty sure not every Japanese person wants tankini sets. SE's had an alright track record with this and FFXIV, minus a few hiccups, and we're hoping it doesn't stop. It's about building a semi-immersive world, if the guys are wearing big hulking armor, why are the girl's wearing stuff that shows off their breasts? If you're gonna say "magic lol" then why wouldn't the guys also have skimpy looking outfits as well?

    Quote Originally Posted by Felis View Post
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    I mean, I'm sure if you nose dive into the dragon making yourself as narrow as possible, you'll probably slip right in without issue, but I recall some of them being snatched out of the air in a less seemingly planned manor (IE their head, arms, and legs were outside the mouth). You really don't want to risk accidentally getting teeth to the gut then, which the belly hole seems to make a whole lot easier. Like what Lewtskie said maybe it's intentional to they cut the beast up while slipping down in?
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  8. #358
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mahri View Post
    I do not want the midriff cut out.
    I spy a salty Dragoon.

    As a tip, the midriff section is missing for both male and female Dragoons. Its only noticeable on females because the males wear a chain undershirt.
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  9. #359
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    Quote Originally Posted by Samcaesar View Post
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    Idk, I've seen like 3 people at best use AF appearance for the Tanks. Everyone I've seen is in either Allagan or Ironworks or Skimpy Armor. If people really care that much about the AF, many would use it but it seems pointless to me that many would voice an opinion just to voice it and not be fully committed to the cause. I wouldn't be surprise if half the people voicing this cause have skimpy outfits on other classes.
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  10. #360
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    A lot of us will be wearing the AF2 when we get it, much like how we wore our AF's back when we first hit level 50 in the 2.0 (or 1.23) days. We'll continue to wear the AF2's until we get the i160-i170/Alexander gear... unless the AF2 gear is the i170 stuff.
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