Please Allow 50's to Enter Ishgard w/o having completed MSQ

[Radacci]

They can...since they're s a whole bunch of people joining them to roll over S ranks in under a minute.

I actually managed to earn seals and tomestones (Not full benefit, of course), with a level 10 CNJ on an S rank.

i said inexperienced party, not including a zerg wave.
but ok, lets take chimera treasure-map then. or are you gonna include external healers, that can heal-bomb everyone?

In FF III and V, pretty much all jobs are tied to the main story. Not a big deal.
Besides, theses "new players" already have a lot of content to do, it's not like Heavensward will be the only thing to wander from them.

that's still not a good reason to lock them out of it, just cause there's other things to do. they can lock gold saucer behind 2.55 then, cause there's other things to do.

[Spawnie]

Since when "story focused" is relevant when we talk about "power leveling" ?

Again, new players have a lot of content to do before reaching Heavensward, why the hell would they want to skip it ?
If it's because they ONLY want to play as DRK, MCH and AST, they...can't. Deal with it.

im talkin about the people complaining about new jobs being gated behind story lol said previously if a new player buys ff14... classes locked behind story quests arent really gonna bother them at all... whole new world for them to explore n enjoy its just people saying new players wont be happy not being able to access ishgard right away lmao... in reality they arent happy about the classes gated behind story :P

@ dude alot of people call thier game charcters toons lolz

[Felis]

Somebody mentioned before that they like to play this game to be a crafter or gatherer... and that up until Heavensward, they could effectively do so with very minimal combat required... forcing them through MSQ (in doing so, forcing them to play a combat class deep into lvl. 50 content)... I highly dislike that direction.

Most of the quests, where no fight is included, can be done with a DoH or DoL class. Nobody force anyone to do all the MSQ on a battle class. You don't have to be on a battle class if the NPC say to you: "can you deliver this letter to my friend in Limsa?"

[Tuathaa]

games like SWTOR and STO (both sci-fi MMOs...huh...) gate their content and basically don't let you do it til the previous content is finished

SWTOR or WoW does not gate a new area behind content completion. It was tied to being max level.
So far there isn't a person saying a new level 10 should be able to go to Ishgard they are just saying lose up on the main story requirement.
A large portion of the msq could be removed without impacting the story which would also speed things up.

[Velhart]

This thread is a pretty good example of how entitled people can get. It is basically asking for things to be handed to you on a silver platter.

I understand people like focusing heavily on the economic side of the game, but seriously, this is a game that mainly focuses on battle content. If you are playing the game without engaging in almost all the content because you like sitting in one of the three nations doing nothing but making items all day, I think you are playing it wrong. It is okay if you rather focus heavily on crafting, but you need to realize this is a battle content based game, not a crafting one. Crafting is only a plus and a means to serve the main core of the game's system.

As for the new jobs. I don't think people know what Hero Classes are. In WoW, you need to achieve lv.55 on a character to unlock becoming a Death Knight. SE is taking a similar approach with DRK, AST, and MCH. I think it is great. You work towards expanding the armory and it does not clutter the three starting nations for when this game inevitably has 20+ jobs. You can't have your character start in other areas due to story reasons. I am sure people are going to disagree with me on this, but I don't mind ever putting the effort in to get things I want.

As for gating Ishgard off. Seriously folks, it is a Final Fantasy game. It is a series based very heavily on it's story. You do not have to care about this story to enjoy it, but you need to acknowledge you are a minority on that aspect and many enjoy the story of the game. So when you ask "I want in Ishgard now when I start the game.", you are basically asking to tear down the game's lore just so you can feel more like a traditional MMO. FFXIV may use a lot of traditional set ups MMO-wise, but it still knows how to bring it's own thing also. It's heavily engaging story is one of them. Have fun with it, accept it, or find an MMO that is not like that.

Also, just to play technicalities here, you do have access to some form of the expansion at the beginning of the game. Being able to be an Au'Ra.

[Malevicton]

SWTOR or WoW does not gate a new area behind content completion. It was tied to being max level.
So far there isn't a person saying a new level 10 should be able to go to Ishgard they are just saying lose up on the main story requirement.

Been a while since I played swtor, but I recall there being a main story that was fairly important. You could technically go to the new zone before doing it if you reached the required level, but you'd just end up backtracking anyways. Very technically, yes, you could skip a zone. Effectively, no, everything was gated by its equivalent of the msq.

So we should let lvl 10s enter ishgard just so they can find that none of the content is for lvl 10, then wait til they just go back to a lvl 10 zone on their own? Why do people need access to lvl 50+ content if they're under 50? This whole thing feels to me like people just want whatever it is they can't have for no reason except that they can't have it :/

[Felis]

SWTOR or WoW does not gate a new area behind content completion. It was tied to being max level.
So far there isn't a person saying a new level 10 should be able to go to Ishgard they are just saying lose up on the main story requirement.

But we play a game from the Final Fantasy serie, not from another serie.
Name 1 FF game where you can go everywhere wih just leveling up and without doing the story. Even in FF VII you can be lv 99 and still locked in Midgard if you don't enter the Shinra building to save Aerith.

[Catwho]

Most of the quests, where no fight is included, can be done with a DoH or DoL class. Nobody force anyone to do all the MSQ on a battle class. You don't have to be on a battle class if the NPC say to you: "can you deliver this letter to my friend in Limsa?"

Actually, you can't. The game requires you to be DoW or DoM for the vast majority of non crafting and non gathering quests. Trust me, I tried.

[Reynhart]

that's still not a good reason to lock them out of it, just cause there's other things to do.

THE good reason, or actually the best reason for a Final Fantasy game, is the lore.

It's already pretty stupid to unlock Ninja withtout having beaten Leviathan, when the MSQ clearly says that this fighting style is from a foreign country and Yugiri especially offers to teach us.
Like it's stupid that eveybody will be able to play as an Au Ra whereas their existence is clearly a plot point.

[Mugiawara]

The new player aspect is troubling, and I've been saying it for months.

It's pretty unique from an MMO standpoint to gate off an expansion behind such a huge requirement. Normally you just have to be the right level and off you go.

I think SE kind of painted themselves into a corner by not having the ARR story be self-contained. The way the story works, you HAVE to complete it before going to Ishgard makes any sense. This is terrible for a number of reasons, but the biggest one is that it makes the expansion not draw in brand new players (or it does and they feel cheated when they hear what they have to do to play with the new shiny). I expect SE to take a hit in the reviews of Heavensward for this one. It may otherwise be a brilliant expansion, but this one thing alone is going to turn off so many people who would otherwise have picked the game up.

Then you begin to realize HW is for Veteran's at the moment. They aren't really aimed for the new crowd, but saying 'Hey we got these new stuff, come join!"
Why would someone new care about a 5th expansion if they didn't even play the game before?
Too many people are using Newp's as a defence and I have no idea why.
Not a single newpie should even care about 3.0, at all, unless they like the game as they go. If they like it, they will feel hype and buy 3.0.
If not, then okay. I've seen a similar thread like this when they told us it was gated....Seems to me people want hand-outs.
We have our hands-held so many times in this game, you actually gotta work for it for once.
Don't use new folks as a Scapegoat.