expected dps in fcob

[Craiger]

I should have been a bit clearer... usually I mean DPS before downtime such as divebombs, rather than encounter DPS as a whole. Yesterday we had a BLM pulling 396 in p1 & p2. The group was actually good enough to handle all mechanics and we got to last phase just fine, but we hit enrage.

If you're doing 600+ before DBs... keep on keeping on.

re: adds. Maybe it's just my group but our tanks usually group them up so folks can AoE. I guess, this is not normal then..?

As for SCHs... even with echo, T13 is still probably the most healing intensive fight in the game currently. Granted, it's less difficult if everyone is absolutely perfect, but Eos can go a long way to helping keep the party alive, and the WHM from going OOM.

That's why I don't really like threads like this, because people compare in different ways... Not saying you did anything wrong, just have to be a little more clear.

I can get 700+ DPS as MNK before downtime if I'm lucky, but it much lower at the end of the fight

if you look at the DnT dps leaderboard, their highest PRE-ECHO blm was 530 for t13, and to be honest, they hardly ever have the highest parses out there so i wouldnt doubt theres someone higher again, just because you personally cant do it, doesnt mean others cant. just consider the posts you've received on this thread as motivation to push yourself harder.

This is another reason I don't like threads like this... You can't always use things like that to compare to your average player. By average player, I don't mean casual players or something, cause it's the same for most hardcore players too.

What I'm talking about is that DPS can be measured in your favor. I don't know if that's the case with those numbers, but it's very common for really hardcore groups that want to push that DPS to the max, to actually do everything possible to increase DPS for one player or something. T10 is the obvious turn to skyrocket your BLM DPS ofc, but you can probably do something to increase it for T13 too. Probably don't get targeted by a single ES either, which increases DPS a ton.

I don't know how low ping some NA players get either, but I'm pretty sure EU on average gets lower DPS because of higher ping, which people have to remember... Not as big difference as Japan though, which is shown in videos by Lucrezia, where they get DPS on some jobs that is literally impossible with the ping in the west.

That being said, T13 is a pretty decent turn for BLM.

[Risvertasashi]

That's why I don't really like threads like this, because people compare in different ways... Not saying you did anything wrong, just have to be a little more clear.

I can get 700+ DPS as MNK before downtime if I'm lucky, but it much lower at the end of the fight

Well, a 2 minute dummy parse seems to be the kind of informal semi-standard so usually think on comparable lines to that. But yes, in the future I'll definitely be clearer.

[Zamii]

This is another reason I don't like threads like this... You can't always use things like that to compare to your average player. By average player, I don't mean casual players or something, cause it's the same for most hardcore players too.

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I don't know how low ping some NA players get either, but I'm pretty sure EU on average gets lower DPS because of higher ping, which people have to remember... Not as big difference as Japan though, which is shown in videos by Lucrezia, where they get DPS on some jobs that is literally impossible with the ping in the west.

please dont come crying ping, with the exception of ninja you can perform optimal dps on 200 or less on all classes.

anyways, the OP was asking about min/maxing essentially, which to me sounds like he doesnt want to be just an average player, and its always nice to have a goal to strive for, heck even lucrezia said themselves they were trying to push for a sub 5 min run on t10, which they managed to achieve later on.

[EllPii]

please dont come crying ping, with the exception of ninja you can perform optimal dps on 200 or less on all classes.

Ping has a noticeable effect on DPS, period.
I can't stack 2 oGCDs without clipping. I can't fit 9 skills in the Berserk/BfB time frame.
If you can't understand why, don't go spouting that nonsense.

[Craiger]

please dont come crying ping, with the exception of ninja you can perform optimal dps on 200 or less on all classes.

anyways, the OP was asking about min/maxing essentially, which to me sounds like he doesnt want to be just an average player, and its always nice to have a goal to strive for, heck even lucrezia said themselves they were trying to push for a sub 5 min run on t10, which they managed to achieve later on.

Ping has a noticeable effect on DPS, period.
I can't stack 2 oGCDs without clipping. I can't fit 9 skills in the Berserk/BfB time frame.
If you can't understand why, don't go spouting that nonsense.

Thanks.

Ping actually makes a big difference in this game when it comes to DPS, much more than it should... And it's probably because they are developing the game with <10 ping in mind, like they have in Japan. The difference in ping that a Japanese player can get compared to mine, makes a big difference in DPS. Even if you make a robot that presses the keys as fast as possible, and does the exact same rotation with the exact same amount of crits etc, the robot playing in Japan would still out-DPS me by a pretty large margin actually.

I don't have 200 ping, but if you compare that to a Japanese player, the difference is huge. It's not the same between NA and EU, and I don't know how low ping the people who get those numbers have, but even if it's not a huge difference in ping, it does make a noticeable difference in DPS. I didn't say those players have much lower, or lower at all, ping than me, I just brought it up as a reason why you can't always compare your DPS to others...

EDIT: Also, from what I can understand, the OP doesn't really ask for what the best of the best FCs in the world can get when trying to get perfect runs with their statics... Doesn't sound like he has a static to begin with, let alone a really hardcore one. No offense OP. Trying to get the maximum DPS in PF isn't really easy, and you have to be really lucky.

[Meleoffs]

if you look at the DnT dps leaderboard, their highest PRE-ECHO blm was 530 for t13, and to be honest, they hardly ever have the highest parses out there so i wouldnt doubt theres someone higher again, just because you personally cant do it, doesnt mean others cant. just consider the posts you've received on this thread as motivation to push yourself harder.

Pre-echo isn't post echo. It's a completely different environment as adds don't get burned down quite so fast. I run with a nin that does 750 dps all the way until tera when we sit forever and he drops to 600. Nor did I ever say I was the best blm. I find it difficult to believe that a BLM could do > 515 WITH echo. I barely beat my pre-echo dps numbers because adds die so fast.

OneWinged, comparing SMN and BLM is absurd as you don't lose ALL your aoe in one GCD when an add you were targeting dies. You have a more reliable and consistent way of doing aoe than BLM does in a high dps echo fueled environment.


Also, 50 ping is worth 15-20 dps. That's a lot. Most western players play with somewhere between 40-90 ping. Worse in EU.

[OneWingedSora]

Snip.

Where did I compare BLM to SMN ? I said I did 573 on my BLM.

And lol @ BLM losing more DPS than SMN in a higher DPS group. Having an add die while you are trying to finish a flare cast is just bad chemistry with your group.

[Cynfael]

OneWinged, comparing SMN and BLM is absurd as you don't lose ALL your aoe in one GCD when an add you were targeting dies. You have a more reliable and consistent way of doing aoe than BLM does in a high dps echo fueled environment.

As SCH I find that my personal DPS takes a significant hit in phases where adds are instagibbed. At least BLM can get a whopping hit or two in; DoT AoE is severely blunted by abbreviated add phases.

[Meleoffs]

Where did I compare BLM to SMN ? I said I did 573 on my BLM.

And lol @ BLM losing more DPS than SMN in a higher DPS group. Having an add die while you are trying to finish a flare cast is just bad chemistry with your group.

My bad I confused with the guy who posted above you. And I suppose thats also true considering I just formed my group like 3 weeks ago.

[Skeith-Adeline]

With lower raid DPS, it was very possible to bloat your numbers to high hell in T13 with incessant AoE during the add phase, so hitting 500+ without Echo isn't implausible. The only fight in Final Coil where bloating really wasn't an option was T11 (which I still think is one of the best fight to truly judge a BLMs worth pre-echo). Also, I kinda see it hard for BLMs NOT to hit 500+ in T13, even with great DPS. Even the times when I come out of Add phase in horrible shape (480s after Tera), I can still leverage out at 525+.