expected dps in fcob

[Zamii]

If BLM can do 500+ with echo in a group with even halfway competent dps I need to see it. The amount of downtime and how little you can actually aoe in add phase really destroys blm dps.

if you look at the DnT dps leaderboard, their highest PRE-ECHO blm was 530 for t13, and to be honest, they hardly ever have the highest parses out there so i wouldnt doubt theres someone higher again, just because you personally cant do it, doesnt mean others cant. just consider the posts you've received on this thread as motivation to push yourself harder.

[Meleoffs]

if you look at the DnT dps leaderboard, their highest PRE-ECHO blm was 530 for t13, and to be honest, they hardly ever have the highest parses out there so i wouldnt doubt theres someone higher again, just because you personally cant do it, doesnt mean others cant. just consider the posts you've received on this thread as motivation to push yourself harder.

Pre-echo isn't post echo. It's a completely different environment as adds don't get burned down quite so fast. I run with a nin that does 750 dps all the way until tera when we sit forever and he drops to 600. Nor did I ever say I was the best blm. I find it difficult to believe that a BLM could do > 515 WITH echo. I barely beat my pre-echo dps numbers because adds die so fast.

OneWinged, comparing SMN and BLM is absurd as you don't lose ALL your aoe in one GCD when an add you were targeting dies. You have a more reliable and consistent way of doing aoe than BLM does in a high dps echo fueled environment.


Also, 50 ping is worth 15-20 dps. That's a lot. Most western players play with somewhere between 40-90 ping. Worse in EU.

[OneWingedSora]

Snip.

Where did I compare BLM to SMN ? I said I did 573 on my BLM.

And lol @ BLM losing more DPS than SMN in a higher DPS group. Having an add die while you are trying to finish a flare cast is just bad chemistry with your group.

[Meleoffs]

Where did I compare BLM to SMN ? I said I did 573 on my BLM.

And lol @ BLM losing more DPS than SMN in a higher DPS group. Having an add die while you are trying to finish a flare cast is just bad chemistry with your group.

My bad I confused with the guy who posted above you. And I suppose thats also true considering I just formed my group like 3 weeks ago.

[Cynfael]

OneWinged, comparing SMN and BLM is absurd as you don't lose ALL your aoe in one GCD when an add you were targeting dies. You have a more reliable and consistent way of doing aoe than BLM does in a high dps echo fueled environment.

As SCH I find that my personal DPS takes a significant hit in phases where adds are instagibbed. At least BLM can get a whopping hit or two in; DoT AoE is severely blunted by abbreviated add phases.

[Zamii]

Pre-echo isn't post echo. It's a completely different environment as adds don't get burned down quite so fast. I run with a nin that does 750 dps all the way until tera when we sit forever and he drops to 600. Nor did I ever say I was the best blm. I find it difficult to believe that a BLM could do > 515 WITH echo. I barely beat my pre-echo dps numbers because adds die so fast.

OneWinged, comparing SMN and BLM is absurd as you don't lose ALL your aoe in one GCD when an add you were targeting dies. You have a more reliable and consistent way of doing aoe than BLM does in a high dps echo fueled environment.


Also, 50 ping is worth 15-20 dps. That's a lot. Most western players play with somewhere between 40-90 ping. Worse in EU.

my point was it should give a base line to aim for, its not exactly like echo will lower your dps.

anyway, im not overly interested in arguing ping, if people want to believe thats why they do low dps, then be my guest, but if i followed that logic i wouldnt be doing nearly as well as i do.

[Meleoffs]

my point was it should give a base line to aim for, its not exactly like echo will lower your dps.

anyway, im not overly interested in arguing ping, if people want to believe thats why they do low dps, then be my guest, but if i followed that logic i wouldnt be doing nearly as well as i do.

It makes a larger different on some classes than others. Mudras are a great example. With BLM I know for sure it changes when I can slide cast and shortens the distance I can move. Precise muscle memory can make it less of a loss but in general it's a dps loss compared to someone in Japan vs people not in Quebec.