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  1. #91
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    Mendalas's Avatar
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    Mendalas Dragoonai
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    Balmung
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by desufin View Post
    I mentioned BOSS FIGHTS several times either directly or by pointing out things where mitigation MATTERS. Stunning a couple of mobs in a daily expert is not going to change Holy's status of NOT being a mitigation tool.
    Saying that Holy is not a mitigation tool in general is wrong. Saying that holy is not a mitigation tool for a boss or any target that might be immune is correct. Stunning mobs in a daily expert IS mitigation since you can dps more and the tank takes less damage. So how about we all agree that IN CERTAIN SITUATIONS, Holy IS a mitigation tool.
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  2. #92
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    Saseal Korei
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    So uhm.... how does determining if Holy is mitigation or not mitigation effect Cleric Stance, again? o_Oa >.>;
    A little off topic, but... /shrug
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  3. #93
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    Mendalas Dragoonai
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saseal View Post
    So uhm.... how does determining if Holy is mitigation or not mitigation effect Cleric Stance, again? o_Oa >.>;
    A little off topic, but... /shrug
    If there was no cleric stance, Holy would be less mitigation since the mobs wouldn't die as fast. But I suppose the stun would still be nice.
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  4. #94
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    Faust Eisenhart
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    Machinist Lv 60
    Yeah, sorry, I kind of went off into a tangent there myself! My bad. Let me try to put this back on rails again.

    Cleric Stance should be toggleable in combat. I can see why people would think otherwise, with many healers having tunnel vision and DPSing too much, causing members to die, but taking away a class's options is a bad idea in general if it can be avoided- if it couldn't be toggled in combat, it'd also hamper a healer's ability to heal themselves in solo content. I fear the request at hand is painting with too broad of a stroke- and that while there are certainly problems in my viewpoint regarding healer DPS and while I believe they do too much of it, nerfing cleric stance so heavily would be overkill. I think it might be a better choice to simply lower the potencies of some of their spells, or possibly lower the scaling with INT cleric stance offers by a small potion rather than removing it entirely.
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  5. #95
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    Sinystrad Daxx
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    Take away stance dance, I will no longer play a healer, it is the only reason I do it.
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  6. #96
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    Ghishlain Pyrial
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    Mateus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nadirah View Post
    You pointed out what's called "normal spell progression.". That's not " new DPs spells", that's "new ranks to existing spells to account for more levels."
    To quote, I said

    Quote Originally Posted by Ghishlain View Post
    And they're increasing our DPS potential
    Regardless of how they do it, they're still trying to increase a healer's DPS in what they feel is balanced for the expansion. If they didn't care about healer DPS, they wouldn't of done this to begin with.

    Just to reiterate, I don't like the idea of disabling Cleric's Stance and I feel the Dev's agree based on how the response was wored (admittedly, up to translator interpretation). Providing the options for higher level play to encourage high level raiding and player skill is good. Taking this away is not.
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  7. #97
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    NorthernLadMSP's Avatar
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    Adore Mi
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    Jenova
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    Dancer Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Magusrex View Post
    Take away stance dance, I will no longer play a healer, it is the only reason I do it.
    Agreed, and I have a feeling a LOT of healers would abandon the role if they nerf/remove Cleric Stance. Good luck playing the game if 50% (just a random guess) of your healers quit healing.
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    Player : フェアリーのミラプリも作ってるんですか?
    (Any plan on Fairies glamour?)
    Yoshi'p Sampo: フェアリーはエギではないので、予定がないです。残念ながら。
    (Since Fairies aren't Egi so, No.)

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    Lollie Ondoreil
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    Hyperion
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    Lancer Lv 80
    Its a tool used properly its great used wrong and it stinks.

    It is not the hammer's fault someone hit you in the head with it.
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  9. #99
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    Elinchayilani N'jala
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    Paladin Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP View Post
    Agreed, and I have a feeling a LOT of healers would abandon the role if they nerf/remove Cleric Stance. Good luck playing the game if 50% (just a random guess) of your healers quit healing.
    Speak for yourself.
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  10. #100
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    Adore Mi
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    Jenova
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeyis View Post
    Speak for yourself.
    Oh, I was speaking for the large pool of people that agree. Sorry if you don't, but my opinion is my opinion, and no amount of attitude from people like you will change that.
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    Player : フェアリーのミラプリも作ってるんですか?
    (Any plan on Fairies glamour?)
    Yoshi'p Sampo: フェアリーはエギではないので、予定がないです。残念ながら。
    (Since Fairies aren't Egi so, No.)

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