Please disable changing Cleric Stance during combat for make healer focus on healing.

[Gilraen]

I love how those pushing the 'Healers should DD' line are forgetting that a Healer's job isn't just keeping the green bar full. When I heal (not that I'm very good at it) I'm doing more than just topping off HP. I'm keeping Stoneskin up on the Tank, I'm removing debuffs as I see them come up, putting Regen up in those fleeting moments of calm during fights. All of which is cast from global cooldown. I don't like to DD cause it can too often cause my other spells to have to wait, and when I see someone at half health or less I REALLY want to heal them. You know, cause I'm the Healer. DDing is something that should be done by those who are comfortable with it, confident in being able to do that dance. As I said earlier, it's not something I will ever ask a Healer to do, because I've been there. I will leave it to them to manage their playstyle, it's their choice. Not mine.

[Gallus]

First of all, having no Cleric Stance does not completely remove a healer's ability to DPS.

Yes it does. You have a base intelligence of around 220 with say a SCH. Full i130 you have 660 MND.

Ruin with cleric = 300+ damage.
Ruin without cleric = 100 damage.

And this will only get worse with the expansion, as healing gear will scale with MND, not INT...so the difference will even get more astronomical.

ATM a good SCH can sit at 300-320 DPS with cleric. You turn that into 100 DPS and yes, you completely remove the ability for them to do anything that is not laughable. Wanna throw a Bio II for 50 extra damage every tick? Sure go ahead, but might as well not do anything or ask your fairy to slap the enemies, I bet she could pull greater numbers.

[Cynfael]

First of all, having no Cleric Stance does not completely remove a healer's ability to DPS. It only makes the spells do less damage. I'm getting the feeling here that far too many people are equating the disabling of Cleric Stance with the complete inability to deal damage at all.

Damage is so poor without Cleric Stance that it amounts to nearly the same thing in practice even if not literally.

[Atlaworks]

Okay so let me get this clear. How's that stunned Bahamut Prime or slept Twintania or Pacified Nael working out for you? Oh wait that's right, they are immune. This not an opinion, it's a freaking fact.

I never said they weren't immune, and you never said anything about any of those boss fights. I have no idea what you're talking about. You might wanna grab that sandwich about now.

[spelley]

Can I get a link to confirm Healer dps being taken into account for Heavensword? I'm all for Healers contributing to the groups DPS, but I'm ABSOLUTELY against it being mandatory.

It will be accounted for in Savage Alexander raids (and possibly raids in general) and not much else, from what I've heard/read. So only content where you are expected to perform to the absolutely best anyways is it being considered. Could be wrong but that's what I remembered hearing...

[desufin]

I never said they weren't immune, and you never said anything about any of those boss fights. I have no idea what you're talking about. You might wanna grab that sandwich about now.

I mentioned BOSS FIGHTS several times either directly or by pointing out things where mitigation MATTERS. Stunning a couple of mobs in a daily expert is not going to change Holy's status of NOT being a mitigation tool.

[Atlaworks]

I mentioned BOSS FIGHTS several times either directly or by pointing out things where mitigation MATTERS. Stunning a couple of mobs in a daily expert is not going to change Holy's status of NOT being a mitigation tool.

And I pointed out that "worth" is a mutable thing, that is equal to your opinion on a subject and thus invalidated in discussion of facts. You're making a logical fallacy. It's still a mitigation tool because it mitigates damage- it doesn't matter what it mitigates damage on. That's like saying "Raid isn't bug spray, it only works on ants!"

[spelley]

Okay so let me get this clear. How's that stunned Bahamut Prime or slept Twintania or Pacified Nael working out for you? Oh wait that's right, they are immune. This not an opinion, it's a freaking fact.

Being able to efficiently complete storyline quests, 4-man dungeons and 24-man raids makes it worth it to quite a few people in the player-base.

I mentioned BOSS FIGHTS several times either directly or by pointing out things where mitigation MATTERS. Stunning a couple of mobs in a daily expert is not going to change Holy's status of NOT being a mitigation tool.

Dealing more damage makes the enemy dead faster, thus they deal no damage. The best mitigation is killing the enemy. If we could 1-shot enemies before they could hit us, that would be the ultimate mitigation.

[Odd]

Omg no. Just no.

I've never enjoyed playing a healer in games. Wanna know why I love it here? Stance dancing. Take away my ability to stance dance and I throw away my job stone and all gear with it.

[NorthernLadMSP]

Holy absolutely is a damage mitigation tool. Maybe not on bosses, but it sure is on normal enemies in dungeons (and even trash during Coil). You can stun these up to three times which equates to them being unable to provide damage during that time to your tank/dps friends. This in and of itself is called mitigation.

Mitigation:

the act of mitigating, or lessening the force or intensity of something unpleasant, as wrath, pain, grief, or extreme circumstances